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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #22 - 09/21/06 at 07:19:56
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Well I have to agree the line he gives against the main Bayonet attack is not exactly my cup of tea, the 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4 Nh5 10.Re1 f5 11.Ng5 Nf6 line would be more to my taste - except I dont like that annoying simplification line in the Bf3 line although the ending looks drawn with best play it is not exactly what a KID player is looking for! Still that is chess  Sad
  
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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #21 - 09/20/06 at 08:46:15
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Yes, I agree that there is a lot of excellent content in the book. However my concern (perhaps unreasonably, given that people should be expected to be conscious of the purpose of the book they are reading) is that lines mentioned may well be mistaken for recommendations. In fact Golubev seems to conclude that the a5 variation favours white (in all but one side note, where he suggests retreating the knight back through f6-e8, where it will be out of the way, and then delaying f5 in favour of Ra6).

As far as I can tell, theory is such at present that if you wish to play 7...Nc6, you have to be willing to enter the lines with 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4 Nh5 10.Re1 f5 11.Ng5 Nf6 (OK, 11...Nf4 has some interesting points, but not if you are playing for the full point).

I should not be too concerned by the analysis in Khalifman's new OFWAK book. This 12.f3, 13.Be3 business doesn't seem to give an edge. In what might be termed the ultimate mainline of the book, white reaches a quasi-endgame with Q, R and 3 (at least one of which is very weak, and the other 2 are doubled) versus Q, N and 4 (two pawn island). Both kings are vulnerable but White's is a little draftier. Black's queen and knight coordinate well, but White has problems linking up the Q and R for an attack.

All things considered I sincerely doubt White has an edge here; it's certainly not a position that I would aim to reach from the opening. Am happy to discuss if anyone else wants to bat ideas back and forth.

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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #20 - 09/19/06 at 15:42:23
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Eddie I know what you mean but although the book seems at first like a game collection there are actually a lot of insightful recommendations and assessments mixed in. It is not really a repertoire book in the true sense of the word, but would help advanced players up to IM level in maintaing or constructing their KID repertoire.



  
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Reply #19 - 09/19/06 at 09:02:32
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I may be mistaken, but I am not sure that Golubev actually makes a lot of recommendations in the book.

The games are his own, and are there to imbue the reader with an understanding of the KID as a whole, not necessarily to resolve existing opening problems.

There is a lot of fantastic material that can supplement a repertoire, but readers should be aware that this is not a "repertoire book" as such.

Apologies if I have misunderstood the purpose of the book,

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Reply #18 - 08/06/06 at 04:48:16
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There is a favorable review of the book by IM Donaldson at http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jd/jd_Understanding_KID.html.  It seems that the variations covered on done so in considerable detail.   

It would be nice if the reviews portion of the Chesspublishing.com  KI section were still active but the most recent book was published in 2003.  There have been several notable KI books since then.
  
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Reply #17 - 07/15/06 at 03:51:46
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I see that Golubev want's to play 6...Nc6 with Panno-style play (can transpose directly to the "regular" Panno if White plays an early Bh6), but what I really wanted to know is how much analysis Golubev spends on this line.  In my experience, most authors cover it only very briefly.  Does he give one illustrative game, or three?  Does he devote three pages to this line or 13?  That's the kind of stuff I'd like to know.

I don't want anyone to violate copyright and post all his analysis, I'd just like some idea of how well this variation is covered.  It's been my anti-King's Indian variation all my life, and when I play the KID (though I haven't for about a year) I play the Panno against the Saemisch, so it's relevant to me from both sides of the board.
  
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Reply #16 - 07/14/06 at 22:21:36
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Look back earlier in this thread, Eric (though your question is perhaps not comprehensively answered) ...
  
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Reply #15 - 07/14/06 at 22:02:56
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Can someone tell me what Golubev recommends against the Saemisch with 6.Bg5!?.  Also, about how much analysis does he have on the move?  I'm looking for more sources besides Ward's and Gallagher's books on this, which almost exclusively feature 6...c5 in reply.
  
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Reply #14 - 05/08/06 at 22:09:39
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May someone please tell me what line Golubev advocates for black against shirov's 13. Bb2! plan for white in the bayonet attack?

Nothing, because he advocates the line with 9.b4 Nh5 10.Re1 Nf4 11.Bf1 a5 12.bxa Rxa5 following Malakhato-Golubev.
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Reply #13 - 05/03/06 at 14:09:49
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May someone please tell me what line Golubev advocates for black against shirov's 13. Bb2! plan for white in the bayonet attack?
  
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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #12 - 04/28/06 at 20:15:18
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I tried a line both Gallagher and Golubev advocate against the Averbakh is on-line chess and got hammered.

May be the benoni positions are an easier way, but white looks slightly better there...

Of course I am a Grunfeld player and no KI expert, but still
  

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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #11 - 04/23/06 at 21:25:58
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woofwoof wrote on 04/11/06 at 03:12:24:


I'm more than certain that Lou actually means 8....Ne7.


Whoops....yes that´s what I (and Golubev) meant.

Against 6.Bg5 in the Saemisch Golubev mentions 6....Nc6 and follows his game against Dreev from 1994.

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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #10 - 04/14/06 at 18:09:22
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Yes, but what does Golubev want Black to play in the Saemisch with 6. Bg5?      
  
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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #9 - 04/11/06 at 03:12:24
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Markovich wrote on 04/10/06 at 16:38:48:
Lou_Cyber wrote on 04/07/06 at 06:46:22:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 and now:

- Classical 5.Nf3 00 6.Be2 e5 7.00 Nc6 8.d5 Nd7 Mar del Plata variations including Bayonet, Ne1 etc..


If very many people follow this advice, I expect I'll win a few games with 9. dxc6.


I'm more than certain that Lou actually means 8....Ne7.
  

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Re: Understanding the Kings Indian - Golubev
Reply #8 - 04/10/06 at 16:38:48
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Lou_Cyber wrote on 04/07/06 at 06:46:22:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 and now:

- Classical 5.Nf3 00 6.Be2 e5 7.00 Nc6 8.d5 Nd7 Mar del Plata variations including Bayonet, Ne1 etc..


If very many people follow this advice, I expect I'll win a few games with 9. dxc6.
  

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