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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #10 - 03/14/06 at 11:54:20
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I can modify it but I'm going to leave it as it is - I think it is quite clear what is meant, especially now that MNb has corrected himself.  If I changed it now the further posts wouldn't make much sense.
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #9 - 03/11/06 at 20:38:45
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Alas I can't modify  Embarrassed 3...g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4.
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #8 - 03/11/06 at 19:34:07
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e2e4 -- you have something wrong in your lines.


You're right. Now I got my head under control ...  Cool ... but this seems to be a little bit strange too  Grin

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1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 (Nge2) cxd4 4.Nxd4


How can Black play 3. cxd4  Roll Eyes

Funny topic ... Regards, e2e4
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #7 - 03/04/06 at 20:38:19
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It is perfectly possible and even recommendable for Black to combine the move orders 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 and 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 (Nge2) cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 in his/her repertoire.
There will be no Maroczy-wall here.
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #6 - 03/04/06 at 06:06:15
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e2e4 -- you have something wrong in your lines.

You seem to be confusing 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 with the idea 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6.

In the first line, White cannot play f4.  In the second line, White cannot play c4.
  
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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #5 - 03/03/06 at 20:37:48
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Salut MNb,

thanks for your answer.

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Now you are mistaken, e2e4.


I followed the recommandation from Dearing Cheesy

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1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 (Ne2) g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 becomes a true Dragon as soon Black plays d6 and Nf6. There is no Richter-Rauser or Sozin-Velimirovic-Fischer Attack here.


In this line you are right. But what about the line I gave

3. d4 (!?) cxd4
4. Sxd4

Now 4. g6 follows to start the Maroczy with 5. c4! This is which I want to avoid (if possible).

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #4 - 03/03/06 at 20:27:16
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Now you are mistaken, e2e4.
1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 (Ne2) g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 becomes a true Dragon as soon Black plays d6 and Nf6. There is no Richter-Rauser or Sozin-Velimirovic-Fischer Attack here.
It is Black who sometimes can look for beneficial deviations by postponing d6, but that is absolutely not mandatory.
Eg 6.Be3 d6 (Nf6 7.Nxc6 bxc6 8.e5 is not dangerous here) 7.f3 Nf6 8.Qd2 or 6.Nb3 d6 (Bxc3+!?) 7.Be2 Nf6 8.o-o o-o are just transpositions.
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #3 - 03/03/06 at 18:04:03
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Salut,

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This doesn't really answer your question, but why are you playing 2...d6?


Because I want to have the option to reach a 'pure' dragon (Dearing). See the following line

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6

and now 6. Bg5 transposes into Richter-Rauzer and 6. Bc4 g6 will be followed by 7. Nxc6 bc 8. e5.

My aim is to reach a dragon setup.

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Does Black develop his queen-knight to d7 in that opening?


In the pure dragon not, in the Najdorf maybe, I don't know.

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This is acceptable for Black but while Black's basic pawn formation is the same you get a much different type of game than the normal Dragon (unless White goes for a quick d4, which is unlikely).


Maybe White want to play the KIA with d3?

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But you may want to check Rogozenko's book on this.


Which one you mean, maybe this: Anti-Sicilians: A Guide for Black?

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #2 - 03/02/06 at 14:43:01
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Not an expert in these lines, but you might consider 2 .. Nc6 (strongest imho) so that you can play d5 in one go. Since you play the dragon transpositions back to the open shouldnt really be bothersome since you can always enter the dragon.
Iirc those f4 lines really suffer against 2 .. Nc6. But you may want to check Rogozenko's book on this. It covers all these kinds of lines where white doesnt go 2 Nf3 and 3 d4. It even covers 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Qxd4, which is also handy if you play the dragon.
  

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Re: 1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
Reply #1 - 03/02/06 at 14:39:21
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This doesn't really answer your question, but why are you playing 2...d6?  I think the general consensus is that if you're planning a Dragon then 2...Nc6 is a better move since then 3.f4 isn't nearly as strong.  Perhaps your attracted to the recently popular Dragon/Najdorf setup?  I really haven't looked into this.  Does Black develop his queen-knight to d7 in that opening? 

After 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 3.f4 the move 3...g6 will most likely transpose to one of the main lines of the Grand Prix Attack.  This is acceptable for Black but while Black's basic pawn formation is the same you get a much different type of game than the normal Dragon (unless White goes for a quick d4, which is unlikely).
  
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1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4
03/02/06 at 13:43:28
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Salut,

I work to learn the Sicilian Dragon and think about the following line

1. e4 c5 2. Sc3 d6 3. f4

How is to answer to this one at best and how can I answer, when I wish to play in similar positions like the Dragon. I'm thinking about 3... g6.

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