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Re: More Classical Dragon
Reply #8 - 05/30/06 at 01:55:25
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10...Na5 11.f4 Bc4 is not sharp at all after 12.Nxa5 Bxe2 13.Nxb7 Bxd1 14.Nxd8 Bxc2 15.Nc6 Rfe8 Lasker-Rjumin, Moscow 1936.
That is why I prefer 10...Rc8 11.g4 Na5, intending to transpose to the line 10...Na5 11.f5 Bc4 12.Nxa5 Bxe2 13.Qxe2 Qxa5 14.g4 Rac8 15.g5 Rxc3!
  
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10...Na5?
Reply #7 - 05/29/06 at 22:54:52
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10...Na5? 11. f5 Bc4 is quite sharp, but a main line in MCO. New to the Dragon - is Na5 to be left alone rather?
  
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Re: More Classical Dragon
Reply #6 - 04/27/06 at 21:12:40
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When I used to play the (Accelerated) Dragon, I always chose 10...Rc8, so I am not familiar with 10...Qc8. Gufeld/Stetsko - according to all reviewers not the best resource, but I only needed a cheap overview - give 11.Kh1 Rd8 12.Bg1 d5 13.e5 Ne4 14.Nb5 (they do not mention 14.Bd3 f6 15.exf6 Nxc3) g5 15.fxg5 (15.g3 Bh3 16.N5d4!? Bxf1 17.Bg4 e6 18.Qxg1 "obtaining definite compensation") Nxe7 16.Nxa7 Qd7 (Qxc2 17.Bd4 thr. 18.Rc1) 17.Nb5 Nc4 18.N5d4 Nxb2 19.Qc1 Na4 20.Qf4 "and White's chances are better", Daniljuk-Maximenko, St Petersburg 1993.
At the other hand 10...Rc8 11.Kh1 Na5 12.f5 Nc4 13.Bd4 Bd7 was already played in Sax-Velimirovic, Banja Luka 1981. White gave up a pawn for nothing with 14.Nd2. So 14.Bxc4 Rxc4 15.Qd3 Rc8 16.Bxa7 (16.Rad1 a6) b6 17.Qa6 b5! with decent compensation, Thipsay-Watson, Kuala Lumpur 1992. 12...Bc4 13.Bd3 a6 is Kindermann-Cebalo, München 1989.
If 10.Kh1 is a problem, than Black also has 10...Na5 11.f5 Bc4. The only objection is 12.Nxa5 Bxe2 13.Nxb7 Bxd1 14.Nxd8 Bxc2 and one can call it a draw.
Please note, that I gave up the Sicilian for the French some ten years ago, so my knowledge is not up-to-date.
What about some bookshelves?  Wink
  
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Reply #5 - 04/27/06 at 10:41:50
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I cant remember where I put me book yesterday Smiley  (to avoid any misquates) but if we look at Fritz 9 opening book then

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3
g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. Be2 O-O 8. O-O Nc6 9. Nb3 Be6 10. f4 Qc8 11. Kh1 Rd8 12. Bg1
d5 13. e5 Ne4 14. Nb5 (14. Bd3 f6 15. exf6 Nxc3 16. bxc3 Bxf6) (14. Nxe4 dxe4
15. Qe1 f6 16. Nc5 fxe5 17. fxe5 Bf5 18. Bc4+ Kh8 19. Nxe4 Nxe5 20. Bb3 Qc6)
14... g5 15. g3 (15. fxg5 Bxe5 16. c3 Bf5) 15... Bh3 16. Rf3 gxf4 17. gxf4 Kh8
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I have even looked at 10 -- Rc8 and i think that white should play Kh1

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3
g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. Be2 O-O 8. O-O Nc6 9. Nb3 Be6 10. f4 Rc8 11. Kh1 Na5 12. f5
Bc4 (12... Bd7 13. fxg6 hxg6 14. Bxa7) (
12... Nc4 13. Bd4 Bd7 14. Bxc4 Rxc4 15. Qd3) 13. Bd3 *




  
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Re: More Classical Dragon
Reply #4 - 04/27/06 at 01:34:04
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Is that true, after 10...Qc8 11.Kh1 Rd8 12.Bg1 d5 13.e5 Ne4 14.Nb5 or 14.Bd3 ?
  
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Reply #3 - 04/26/06 at 09:24:07
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When i faced the variation in practise I have always played Rc8 Smiley

But when Dzindsi recommends Qc8 instead of Rc8 I have look more at it.
I am curios why he chosed Dc8 in his book,are there any hidden troubles in the mainlines of Rc8?

The idea is of 10...Qc8 11.Kh1 Rd8 followed by d5 (e5 Ne4)  with complety equality.

  
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Re: More Classical Dragon
Reply #2 - 04/26/06 at 01:38:57
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I wonder, why you prefer 10...Qc8 to 10...Rc8 ? I find 10...Qc8 11.Kh1 Bg4 12.Bg1 not particularly attractive, while the exchange sac 10...Rc8 11.g4 Na5 12.f5 Bc4 13.Nxa5 Qxa5 14.Qxe2 Qxa5 15.g5 Rxc3! is very atttractive.
  
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Re: More Classical Dragon
Reply #1 - 04/25/06 at 20:16:42
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I solved it, I used the wrong move order, or to be more precise I analsyed a similar position and not the book move order (I meant to analyse Kh1 but i became h3 and evrything changed so forget this post Sad
  
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More Classical Dragon
04/25/06 at 17:23:36
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In the classical approach to the classical Dragon Fritz 9 suggest a novelty 15..  g5

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.Be2 0–0 8.0–0 Nc6 9.Nb3 Be6 10.f4 Qc8 11.h3 Rd8 12.g4 d5 13.e5  Ne4 14.Nxe4 dxe4 15.Qe1 g5 [15...f6 is theory 16.exf6 exf6 17.c3 f5 and black is only slightly better] 16.fxg5 [16.f5 Bxb3 17.axb3 Nxe5 18.Bxg5 (18.c3 Bf6 19.h4 h6 20.hxg5 hxg5 21.Rxa7 (21.Qc1 Nd3 22.Bxd3 Rxd3 23.Bxg5 Rg3+ 24.Kf2 Rxg4 25.Bxf6 exf6) 21...Rxa7 22.Bxa7 Qc7) 18...Qxc2 19.Rf2 Qxb2 20.Rb1 (20.Bxe7 Nd3 21.Bxd3 Bd4 22.Ra4 (22.Be2 Re8) 22...Bxf2+ 23.Qxf2 Qxf2+ 24.Kxf2 Rxd3) 20...Qa3 21.Bf4 Nd3 22.Bxd3 exd3] 16...Nxe5 and black is better 17.Nc5 Bd5 18.c3 b6 19.Nb3 Nc4 20.Bxc4 Bxc4 0–1

I know that 10 Qc8 !? is out of fashion and that everybody plays Rc8 but in my first Dragon book Gufelds  An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking player he recommended Qc8 and in Dzindzichashvilis recent book Chess Opening for Black, Explained he also recommends it (in a section where Dragon and accelerated Dragons meets).

Since I am not the strongest analyser are there anything wrong with 15 g5? Or is just Fritz 9 who simply fails to see the refutation?
  
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