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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #23 - 06/19/06 at 08:44:50
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i forgot sorry will respond tonight my bad
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #22 - 06/19/06 at 07:47:08
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So Mister Moscow, you stop the game where black answers 9.000! with d5, it sounds like the Rb8 line given by Martin and you very playable is in fact very difficult for black...
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #21 - 06/18/06 at 15:18:42
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ok now for a few hints heres a couple of ideas. 1.e4c5 2nf3 d6 3d4cd 4nd4 nf6 5nc3 g6 6be3 bg7 7f3 nc6 8.qd2 00 9000 nd4 10bd4 be6 11.kb1 a5 with the idea of a4 then qa5 omitting qc7 ie rook defends queen call it chinese type play against 000 next idea is karlsons early h5 but use h4 then rh5 to transfer the rook to queenside either line makes for interesting ideas also my d5 has not failed me of late. my score is good against 000 as for tns i lost a tempo to tn romaninshen in the dragon, that was my work with tony from years gone by waited 30 years to drop that bomb. unfortunately im hold out on u guys but i have given u the second and third choices, the big novelty will come out in a category 10 in sofia later this summer.or in norway in sept, kulouts chickened out and tregubov never happended so im waiting come on 000 genius lets give it a go otb, becerra got a little bit of the treatment as we saw. chris how u doin.
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #20 - 06/14/06 at 22:08:38
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FightingDragon wrote on 06/14/06 at 16:36:33:
I've analysed the position a bit an came to the following variation against 25.Kb1:
25.Kb1 a5 26.Ba3 Rd2: 27.Rd2: Rd2: 28.Nd2: Qd5 with unclear play.
And against 25.b3 Nd4 26.c3 what about the exchange sacrifice 26. ... Rd6: 27.Nd6: Rd6: 28.cd4: ed4:
It seems that black has adequate compensation (at least he is a pawn up and has the safer king).

By the way, nice to see TopNotch back in the forum!
Did you have any dragon games in Torino?


Actually I did, and am very pleased to report that the Chinese Dragon is alive and very well.

In fact I think overall the Dragon fared quite well in Turin....perhaps the fast time control helped.

Regarding 9.0-0-0 I agree it continues to be a nuisance for ambitious Black players, but theoretically I think black is fine at the moment in the 9...d5 lines, nevertheless the search continues for ways to avoid those tedious drawing lines u mentioned. Sadly forced draws seem to plague all ultra sharp openings, its the nature of the beast.

I suppose if u need to play for a win at all costs the Hippo is your best bet....and no I am not joking....ok, maybe just a little  Tongue

Perhaps Eric will eventually get around to revealing some sparkling and promising new avenue for black after 9.0-0-0, in the meantime posters could check the Olympiad games to see if there were any interesting developments.

Should all else fail there is also the Dragadorf to consider, which on current evidence appears to be quite a promising avenue for black and could render the whole 9.0-0-0 vs 9.Bc4 argument moot. Time will tell.

Till next time fellow Dragonneers, keep the flame burning brightly.

Toppers  Smiley

  

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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #19 - 06/14/06 at 16:36:33
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I've analysed the position a bit an came to the following variation against 25.Kb1:
25.Kb1 a5 26.Ba3 Rd2: 27.Rd2: Rd2: 28.Nd2: Qd5 with unclear play.
And against 25.b3 Nd4 26.c3 what about the exchange sacrifice 26. ... Rd6: 27.Nd6: Rd6: 28.cd4: ed4:
It seems that black has adequate compensation (at least he is a pawn up and has the safer king).

By the way, nice to see TopNotch back in the forum!
Did you have any dragon games in Torino?
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #18 - 05/29/06 at 22:39:08
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As i explained ...Qb5 threatens directly a5 which should (in another cqase) be answered by a4, but now this is not an option. So that's why i think white should play b3.
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #17 - 05/29/06 at 19:57:17
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Ok, let's get back to serious discussion!
What does black's position look like in the absolute main variation (the variation Bragesjo and Ametanoitos gave) after 24. ... Qb5 which I like more than 24. ... c5. ?
What is black's plan after for example 25.Kb1, which looks like a nice waiting move, protecting a2.
What's interesting is that Golubev in his latest game played the variation with 19. ... Nf4, so perhaps black is not as bad there as theory might suggest...
  
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Reply #16 - 05/09/06 at 00:53:55
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im in the e.r. its like a real game and my clock is running back to u in am, thanks for the gam,e.
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #15 - 05/09/06 at 00:44:54
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Ok, my next move is of course 19.h4.
Does white really have any alternative at that point?
  
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Reply #14 - 05/08/06 at 23:25:43
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so play i go bh6 now what.u move i reply their are lots of choices happy to show my ideas ur movwe
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #13 - 05/08/06 at 10:11:47
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Let's start talking variations!
Eric, will you post some variations or should I shift my attention back to the main line which Ametanoitos started? As far as I can see black is in need of an improvement in your variation.
  
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Reply #12 - 05/05/06 at 20:50:01
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my game with gm lie started with bh6 he unfortunately played poorly doing h4, f4 allowing me to play e3 sacing a pawn and changing bishops followed by bg5. then i was ok.  Bh6 is best the rest of my lines were done a t home give me 2 hours ill get back.
  
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Re: Black's best against 9.0-0-0
Reply #11 - 05/05/06 at 14:51:10
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That is in a nutshell what Golubev also gives.
Eric, where is your analysis?
  
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Reply #10 - 05/05/06 at 14:33:57
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The Fritz8 5 minutes analyses gives :
9.000 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxç6 bxç 12.Bd4 e5 13.Bç5 Be6 14.Ne4 Rb8 15.Bç4 f5 16.Ng5 e4 17.Bb3 Qf6 18.ç3 Rxb3 (Bh6!? is Fritz preference 19.h4 Rd8 10.Bxa7 white is better) 19.axb e3 20.Bxe3 NxBe3 21.Qxe3 Bxb3 22.Rd7 clearly better for white.
  
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Reply #9 - 05/05/06 at 10:43:18
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also hint to those that hate me check out bd7 g4 B5 for sdome thought, not an endorsement but going under study in my little lab any ideas?????
  
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