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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #203 - 10/05/07 at 05:22:00
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@Dfan:

It much depends on your playing style:

Kings Gambit
1.e4,e5 2.f4
Emms:  2....exf4
Davies: 2....Bc5
Marin:   2....Bc5

Scotch
1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.d4,exd 4.Nxd4
Emms:  4...Nf6
Davies: 4...Bc5
Marin:   4...Bc5

Italian
1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bc4
Emms:  3....Nf6
Davies: 3....Nf6
Marin:   3....Bc5
Both Emms and Marin include the Max-Lange attack

And eh, dont forget the 1...e5 section of chesspublishing  Smiley
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #202 - 10/04/07 at 18:22:01
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Antillian wrote on 10/04/07 at 00:59:32:
Just to give some context, I am 2100 rated player previously loyal to the Pirc (See http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1164073377/0 ) I am  converting to 1...e5 as my primary defence to 1 e4.


You'll be back  Wink

  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #201 - 10/04/07 at 13:30:14
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Antillian wrote on 10/04/07 at 00:59:32:
I currently own Marin, Daives and Emms and of the three, I have found Marin to be the most instrutive and most valuable by far.

Thanks for the thoughtful review.  I'm an 1800s-player currently learning 1...e5 lines (except for the Spanish) from Davies, and I like his lines.  Do you think Marin would be a good complement, or is the repertoire different enough that I should avoid being confused by it for now?
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #200 - 10/04/07 at 03:21:41
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Antillian (and indeed Geof Strayer earlier):

Thanks for your considered posts on the book. Been pondering buying for a while. Looks like the upsides may overall outweigh the down, so will buy.

Thanks again for the time you both took to give your views. Always very helpful when posters  do so in considered fashion.

(As an aside, everyone please note: READ previous posts, THINK, WRITE. That order please. A forum not a blog.)
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #199 - 10/04/07 at 00:59:32
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Having spent several weeks with this book. I have to say I am quite satisfied with my purchase. I thought I would write my thoughts since I don't think that anyone should be put off from buying this book by the criticisms of on this thread.

I am not saying that this book is perfect. Yes, there are genuine issues. Some minor lines are indeed missing and some moveorder issues not addressed. However, many of these, though not all,  were corrected in the subsequent pdf adendum released online.

There has been much discussion especially about the line recommended in the KGD where it seems pretty clear that 12. Qd2 leaves White  the more comfortable position. Indeed, I have looked at these lines and I must say i don't feel comfortable playing Black here. However an alternative to 6...Bg4 is given in 6...a6. I belive this alternative was dismissed by GM Kosten in another thread  because of 7 f5 and 7 Nd5. I cannot say that I have exhaustively analysed these lines, but so far as I have looked, I really don't see these as frightful for Black and I think Black's game is quite playable.  

With respect to the quite unusual format Marin uses, (i.e. ECO style table and foot tables) I myself was skeptical at first. But once I got used to it, I did not find it a problem at all. I actually like this innovative format. Indeed it  makes it easiar to look up a line. I hope Marin uses this format when he writes his Catalan repertiore book (Hint, hint to you guys at Quality Chess if you are reading   Wink )

I currently own Marin, Daives and Emms and of the three, I have found Marin to be the most instrutive and most valuable by far.

Just to give some context, I am 2100 rated player previously loyal to the Pirc (See http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1164073377/0 ) I am  converting to 1...e5 as my primary defence to 1 e4. I struggled to my current rating with very little opening work at all and am only now taking a seious study of openings. Thus, I prefer instrutive works with flawed coverage over more complete works with less instructive value. I don't mind using other sources to supplement my learning and to fill in missing lines or to choose substitute lines.

Obviously other persons come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives A more experienced 1....e5 player would probably prefer Emms. Someone who is not prepared to do work on their own or who is looking for a single book to provide a complete repertoire solution would be irritated by the small gaps in Marin. The traditionalists will hate Marin for sure since the unusual format will turn them off.  Roll Eyes

( On this note, don't you get irritated by book reviewers who go on and on about how "superior" the "good old fashioned" tree format is to  the illustrated games. And how about the ones who knock books becuase it won't open flat or it had some typo. Angry Anyway, I digress. This comment is a bit irrelevant, just wanted to get that off my chest)

Anyway, back to Marin. From my perspective, i am hungry for good chesss opening instruction since my goal  is to build a deep understanding of the openings I play rather than just learn all the right lines. So I don't mind putting up with some flaws in books to get that instrution.

If you are anything like me, a non master who wants to understand openings deeply and you value excellent instrution in opening books above anything else, and you are willing to do extra work to supplement minor flaws, then I heartily reccommend this book.  
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #198 - 09/25/07 at 01:53:07
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MNb wrote on 09/25/07 at 01:39:22:
Don't know if it is a clever idea. I have a game going on as Black with the Spanish Exchange. I did not like 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.d4 exd4 7.Bg5 and 8.Qxd4 for Black. White has a lead in development and of course the better pawn structure.


4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.d4 exd4 7.Bg5. Doesn't 7...Bxf3 win a piece now?

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #197 - 09/25/07 at 01:39:22
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Don't know if it is a clever idea. I have a game going on as Black with the Spanish Exchange. I did not like 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.d4 exd4 7.Bg5 and 8.Qxd4 for Black. White has a lead in development and of course the better pawn structure.

S**t. As TN points out in the next post, there is a typo in the line above. I meant 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Qf6 6.d4 exd4 7.Bg5 and 8.Qxd4.
5...Bg4 is the move I actually played.
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #196 - 09/24/07 at 21:02:41
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ZCC wrote on 09/24/07 at 20:46:28:
Hi to all!

I'm a new subscriber (sorry for my poor english) but I want only notice a line missing in Marin's book :

After the moves:

1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bf5 a6
4.Bxc6 dxc6
5.OO f6
6.d4 Bg4!?
7.c3 Bd6
8.Be3 Ne7

Stefan Kindermann in his book "THE SPANISH EXCHANGE VARIATION - 2005"  suggested as main line a very interesting new

idea of Vladimir Baklan :  

9.dxe5!?

Game Backlan - Kallio (2002) continued with:

9... fxe5
10.h3 Bh5
11.c4! c5
12.b4! ... [1-0 39]


At first impression It seems to me not analyzed in Marin's book... in Megabase 2007 there are 2 games but white scores 100% ...  Cry

Perhaps GM Kosten refers to this line when He said there is a "hole" in Ruy Lopez exchange ?

thanks to all for this beautiful forum!

ZCC


Thanks very much for that post ZCC.

You maybe onto something there.

Would you also happen to have any clever ideas against: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6
5.OO Qf6!?
perchance?

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #195 - 09/24/07 at 20:46:28
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Hi to all!

I'm a new subscriber (sorry for my poor english) but I want only notice a line missing in Marin's book :

After the moves:

1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bf5 a6
4.Bxc6 dxc6
5.OO f6
6.d4 Bg4!?
7.c3 Bd6
8.Be3 Ne7

Stefan Kindermann in his book "THE SPANISH EXCHANGE VARIATION - 2005"  suggested as main line a very interesting new

idea of Vladimir Baklan :  

9.dxe5!?

Game Backlan - Kallio (2002) continued with:

9... fxe5
10.h3 Bh5
11.c4! c5
12.b4! ... [1-0 39]


At first impression It seems to me not analyzed in Marin's book... in Megabase 2007 there are 2 games but white scores 100% ...  Cry

Perhaps GM Kosten refers to this line when He said there is a "hole" in Ruy Lopez exchange ?

thanks to all for this beautiful forum!

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #194 - 09/19/07 at 17:02:31
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LaRocque wrote on 09/19/07 at 11:03:20:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/15/07 at 15:41:10:
Antillian wrote on 06/13/07 at 18:54:34:
Tony,
Now that you are covering 1...e5, will you be tackling this line in your updates?

Yes, as soon as I find a good line for Black! Smiley

Ametanoitos wrote on 06/15/07 at 15:30:59:
When we analysed the 10.Qd2 line with my coach we decided that 10...Bxf3 11.gxf3! Nd7 12.Kh1 exf4 13.Qxf4 Nde5 14.Bd3 Nd4 looks nice for black. I know nothing else about the theory of this line. Do i miss something stronger for white?

In his analysis to Axelrod - Mikhalevski, in his May '06 update, Olivier gave 12 f5 and a nice variation that won for White.


In his analysis, Renet give 12.f5 Nb6 13.Bb3 Cd4 14.Qg2, but 13...a5 seems to be interesting:
14.a3 (14.Qg2 a4) a4 15.Ba2 Rfd8!? and if 16.Qg2 c4!?


Your suggestion of 13...a5 was considered by me in the following thread http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1172299697/30#34 and it was concluded that White is still comfortably better or maybe more.

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #193 - 09/19/07 at 11:03:20
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/15/07 at 15:41:10:
Antillian wrote on 06/13/07 at 18:54:34:
Tony,
Now that you are covering 1...e5, will you be tackling this line in your updates?

Yes, as soon as I find a good line for Black! Smiley

Ametanoitos wrote on 06/15/07 at 15:30:59:
When we analysed the 10.Qd2 line with my coach we decided that 10...Bxf3 11.gxf3! Nd7 12.Kh1 exf4 13.Qxf4 Nde5 14.Bd3 Nd4 looks nice for black. I know nothing else about the theory of this line. Do i miss something stronger for white?

In his analysis to Axelrod - Mikhalevski, in his May '06 update, Olivier gave 12 f5 and a nice variation that won for White.


In his analysis, Renet give 12.f5 Nb6 13.Bb3 Cd4 14.Qg2, but 13...a5 seems to be interesting:
14.a3 (14.Qg2 a4) a4 15.Ba2 Rfd8!? and if 16.Qg2 c4!?
  

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Reply #192 - 09/19/07 at 03:56:32
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Not really, I have little to add. Of course Black has other options than 9.fxe5 dxe5 10.a3 Be6; 10...Bg4 creates a well known threat. A long tiring debate on "roughly balanced" or "a tiny edge" does not look fruitful to me. You excellently have described why I prefer White - his advantages are permantent, Black's temporary.
  

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Reply #191 - 09/19/07 at 01:13:29
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MNb wrote on 09/10/07 at 21:29:06:
My instinct tells me that I prefer White after 7...Bb6 8.Nxb6 axb6 9.fxe5 dxe5. This was confirmed in Hromadka-Mikulka, Olomouc 1944. After 10.a3 a transposition is possible.
White's edge may not be earthshaking, but still concrete. For instance White's lack of control of square d5 looks very temporary indeed.  Wink


The position you quoted above never actually occurred in that game, nor is a transposition likely. For the record here is the complete game score:

[Event "Olomouc"]
[Site "Olomouc"]
[Date "1944.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Hromadka,Karel"]
[Black "Mikulka,Rudolf"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C30"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 d6 5.f4 Nf6 6.Nf3 0-0 7.Na4 Bb6 8.Nxb6 axb6 9.a3 Be6 10.Bxe6 fxe6 11.fxe5 dxe5 12.0-0 Qd6 13.h3 Nd4 14.Be3 Nh5 15.Kh2 g6 16.Bh6 Ng7 17.Rc1 Rf7 18.Ng5 Rxf1 19.Qxf1 Rf8 20.Qe1 Qe7 21.c3 Nb3 22.Rd1 Qf6 23.Nf3 Nc5 24.Bg5 Qf7 25.Nxe5 Qf2 26.Qxf2 Rxf2 27.Kg1 Rxb2 28.Rf1 Rb3 29.Bh6 Nf5 30.exf5 gxf5 31.Rf3  1-0

White did manage to win the above game, but Black's opening play was deplorable. For instance simply 9...exf4 intending d5 gives Black a nice advantage, and should White delay recapture with 10.0-0 Black maintains his advantage with 10...Ne5 .

Exchanging pawns as given in your example is relatively best, nevertheless there are pros and cons to such an approach for White. In particular the exchange of pawns frees black game as now his light squared Bishop will never be in danger of being locked in by f5, while his Queen can now zip into the dark squares via d6 which incidentally neutralises Bg5 pins nicely and also white has given away the possibility of a pawn storm which is often his most dangerous plan in these KGD positions. Having said all that White does have the Bishop pair and a slightly better pawn structure which may in the long term compensate for his lag in development which was only compounded by luxuries such as a3.

Weighing everything together I would say the position is roughly balanced and that the line proposed while relatively safe doesn't represent a critical try for White.

As I said before, one must be quite cautious when offering antiquated sources to make a case for an Opening or Opening line.

Toppy Smiley

Postscript: Start a new thread if you want to discuss this line in further detail, this one is already pages too long. Smiley
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #190 - 09/18/07 at 18:46:46
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Nevertheless I would be curious about what he had written about the exchange Ruy and disappointed that this variation was not included in the companion volume instead. 


Glenn Flear told me that he thought the section was generally good, but another source has informed me that one of the critical lines is incorrectly assessed. Undecided
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #189 - 09/10/07 at 21:29:06
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My instinct tells me that I prefer White after 7...Bb6 8.Nxb6 axb6 9.fxe5 dxe5. This was confirmed in Hromadka-Mikulka, Olomouc 1944. After 10.a3 a transposition is possible.
White's edge may not be earthshaking, but still concrete. For instance White's lack of control of square d5 looks very temporary indeed.  Wink
  

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