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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #248 - 01/16/08 at 17:51:18
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I think  Mr. Aagard would be sensible to offer some kind of discount/incentives for those who bought earlier editions if this is the way that he is going especially if the new editions are released relatively

Perhaps the best way to organise a website with these updates in return for some additional charge upfront for them. Perhaps Tony could give him assistance doing this.

  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #247 - 01/16/08 at 17:31:08
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On buying the updated English version of Bronznik's Chigorin book after earlier buying the German edition, my attitude was that I'd rather not spend the money (doh!) but I was still pleased to get an improved version.
I didn't buy the second, expanded version of Nunn's Secrets Of Practical Chess as I didn't think having two versions of such a book was necessary.
But with opening books, I'm pleased to get the chance to spend more money!
After all, it's what I do every year with ChessBase's Mega database.
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #246 - 01/16/08 at 17:18:56
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I cannot see what the objection is. If the first edition had not sold out, we would not print a second edition at all. It is cheaper and easier for us to reprint without doing any extra work, which is what the other publishers would do, because it is cost efficient. We care about quality and will continue to do so.

So, the person who bought the first edition should not feel cheated. It is still an amazin book. Only, at some point it makes sense to make the material as up-to-date as when we published the first edition. How does that affect the quality of the first edition. Not at all.

To not buy our books because we continually try to improve the product is a possibility, though I personally would rather prefer to buy books from a publisher that cares about the reader.

For those who want to know what reviewers thought of the first editions, please go to Silman's website.

And yes, we are considering an update on the website, but it will probably be in pgn format.

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(I will not follow the thread. I am too busy, sorry)
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #245 - 01/16/08 at 07:25:38
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It is pretty annoying, I agree.  Admittedly I haven't spent much time with my copy yet (I bought both the Marin books in this 'set') as I was planning to look at it when time allows to broaden my chess horizons as I don't normally play 1...e5, and I'm sure that the theoretical changes won't be nearly as important to me as would any changes to the explanatory text, but nonetheless....does make me wonder if a little more time should be spent before the release of certain titles.  I don't recall Gambit releasing a second edition of any of their titles in such a short space of time after the first, or even at all, and even Everyman (with their other absurd traits such as the lack of a variation index at the end of the book) haven't done this that I can remember.  Perhaps we shouldn't rush to buy these books until they've been out a few months and all the reviews/feedback are in.
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #244 - 01/16/08 at 04:38:23
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What are all of these customer who just spent $30 on their book supposed to do about this?  Are they at least releasing the new material in .pdf form?  I'm thinking about not buying any books from them if I have to update them every few months.

I can see why they'd want to keep this a secret.

This is just like the Queen's Gambit Accepted book from Chess Stars that's about to be on the third edition already.  Who is going to keep buying these things again and again?  I feel like I'm getting cheated here.
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #243 - 01/13/08 at 17:37:22
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Knut S. wrote on 01/13/08 at 14:13:08:
We were hacked at the start of December and are still fighting with the consequences. We publish a completely new version of beating the Open Games in March with almost 100 new pages as it looks now.

This was (interesting) news to me, but I might not be completely up to date. 


Hmm...a new edition. I wonder if I can trade in my first one.  Undecided
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #242 - 01/13/08 at 14:13:08
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Apparently, the info in the previous version of this post was a big secret (for some reason I was/am not aware), so I have deleted it. Antillan, can you delete your quote in the post below? Probably doesn't help much, but still...
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #241 - 01/12/08 at 16:01:32
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Thanks for this.
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #240 - 01/11/08 at 22:46:43
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My latest acquired wisdom: it is better to know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about a position that to dimly recall some moves that make your analysis biased towards what you think you remember.

Have a read of Leif's Johanesen (?) preface in his Zaitsev book. Basically he trusted his ability to play logical moves when facing sidelines!


That is very good advice. However, if it were 100% true, then I would never have bought any opening books and probably would not be on this forum  Grin

So in the future, if I'm not absolutely convinced I remember something, I'll "think without prejudice" about the position (to borrow a phrase from Mr GM, Zebra-loving Rowson).
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #239 - 01/11/08 at 01:24:53
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mad_knight wrote on 01/10/08 at 12:35:20:
Hi BlkSabb,
Could you give me some detail on these transpositions so I can look them up in Marin's book?
Thanks a bunch! Smiley


I don't own Marin's book, but there are really not that much transpositions.
3.Nc3 is the Vienna: 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Bc4 and I guess it will be 3...Nf6 (2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nf6).
3.Nf3 is the Italian: 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4.
3.d3 Bc5 (Nf6 4.Nc3 is the Vienna again) 4.Nc3 is Vienna, 4.Nf3 is Italian and 4.f4 is just met with ...d5!
A cute transposition is 2.Bc4 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 which is a critical line of the KG: 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nc6!?
All this already to be found in Harding, 1973 ....
Concerning independent options: Fernando Semprun is right. Play normal sound moves.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.0-0 Bc5 5.c3 is nothing special indeed - Nxe4 6.d4 (what else?) exd4 once again transposes. It is handy to know 7.cxd4 d5 (Be7 8.d5!) 8.dxc5 dxc4 9.Qe2 Qd3 10.Re1 f5 though, as ...Bf5 drops a piece.
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #238 - 01/10/08 at 22:05:32
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 01/06/08 at 01:06:41:
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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6 5.c3 (or 4.c3 Nf6 5.0-0) at least, I cannot find it in "Beating the Open Games". I faced this variation in my last tournament as Black and it was a pretty unpleasant experience. My opponent was rated roughly 150 rating points lower. I managed to recall some Emms analysis that I had read some 4 years earlier, and pieced together the right ideas, but still only drew as I had used up all my time over the first 10 moves.
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My latest acquired wisdom: it is better to know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about a position that to dimly recall some moves that make your analysis biased towards what you think you remember.

Have a read of Leif's Johanesen (?) preface in his Zaitsev book. Basically he trusted his ability to play logical moves when facing sidelines!

That c3 system looks like nothing too special anyway Wink
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #237 - 01/10/08 at 12:35:20
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Hi BlkSabb,
Could you give me some detail on these transpositions so I can look them up in Marin's book?
Thanks a bunch! Smiley
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #236 - 01/09/08 at 21:23:38
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It's a very short section.  1 e4 e5; 2 Bc4 Nc6 and he says that White can't give the game an independent character.  He gives a few examples of how this will transpose into something else he already covered.
  
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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #235 - 01/09/08 at 15:29:01
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Mortal Games wrote on 05/01/07 at 10:55:27:
A Bishop´s Opening transposition and Belgrade Gambit are now available as an update to the book Beating the Open Games in Quality Chess site in news.  Smiley

I tried to download this update but for some technical reason did not succeed.  Is he recommending 1 e4 e5; 2 Bc4 Nf6; 3 d3 c6, which I'm currently playing? Or perhaps a variation which may transpose to the King's Gambit he recommends? Is there any other way to get this update than via the Qualitychessbooks website? Undecided
  

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Re: New 1...e5! book by Mikhail Marin!
Reply #234 - 01/06/08 at 01:57:26
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TopNotch wrote on 01/06/08 at 01:25:39:
Seth_Xoma wrote on 01/06/08 at 01:06:41:
If someone is collecting lines for Marin to analyze for an undate for the qualitychess website, I found another line that probably should be looked at:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6 5.c3 (or 4.c3 Nf6 5.0-0) at least, I cannot find it in "Beating the Open Games". I faced this variation in my last tournament as Black and it was a pretty unpleasant experience. My opponent was rated roughly 150 rating points lower. I managed to recall some Emms analysis that I had read some 4 years earlier, and pieced together the right ideas, but still only drew as I had used up all my time over the first 10 moves.

Maybe it could be looked at in a future update on this site, since it is not covered on Chesspub, at least not under C56  Cool

By the way, anyone know if Emms' analysis still holds up well on this variation?


Didn't realise Emms covered this position, I thought he advocated the Two Knights Defence in his book. It would also be nice if you provided a few more moves for the sake of clarity, as White still has the option to play an Open or Closed Italian game.

Tops Smiley


Yes, Emms covers the Max Lange in addition to the 2Ns, and that is where this variation is covered. However, he reaches it via 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d4 exd4 5.0-0 Bc5 6.c3!? Nxe4 7.cxd4 d5 8.dxc5 dxc4 etc then covers 9. Qxd8+ and 9.Qe2. I just looked over the chapter again, and found out where I messed up during my game  Embarrassed
P.S NEVER MIND. I just found the line in Marin's book, after a few hours more detective work. Pg 145, Giuoco Piano-Classical main line note 1. Shut my mouth  Lips Sealed
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