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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #290 - 09/03/17 at 20:24:46
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Here's a correspondence game I played ~10 years ago in the aftermath of the experimental game above. I'd need to look at it again to provide any useful comment, but I don't remember thinking Black was in any serious trouble.

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3 a6 5.Be3 Qc7 6.g4 Bd7 7.f4 e6 8.Nf3 c5 9.Qd2 cxd4 10.Nxd4 Bb4 11.Be2 Ne7 12.a3 Bxc3 13.Qxc3 Qxc3+ 14.bxc3 b5 15.Nb3 O-O 16.Kd2 Rc8 17.Bc5 Ng6 18.Rhf1 Be8 19.Bd6 Nd7 20.Bd3 f6 21.Rae1 Bf7 22.Rf2 Ra7 23.Nd4 fxe5 24.fxe5 Nc5 25.Ref1 Ne4+ 26.Bxe4 dxe4 27.Re2 Ne7 28.Bxe7 Rxe7 29.Rxe4 Rd7 30.Re3 Rd5 31.Kc1 Rcc5 32.Nf3 h6 33.Kb2 Rc4 1/2-1/2

Maybe 12.a3 lets Black off the hook. But I'm pretty confident that Black also has better resources than what I played.
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #289 - 09/03/17 at 18:20:16
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I had a look at this line recently, and in fact the variation that concerned me the most was the one in post #287. It looks like White had a good version of some 3 Nc3 Nf6 French.
  
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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #288 - 09/03/17 at 15:58:38
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It pains me to look through my analysis above, but what is the current status of the early 4...a6 in the Advance Caro?
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #287 - 02/10/07 at 14:19:50
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Both games have followed this path:

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3 a6 5.Be3 Qc7 6.g4 Bd7 7.f4 e6 8.Nf3 c5 9.Qd2 cxd4 10.Nxd4 Bb4

Interesting.  It feels a little French-like, but I remember this getting dismissed during our game...
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #286 - 01/22/07 at 17:05:07
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HgMan wrote on 01/22/07 at 13:02:41:
I've managed to avoid the Willempie Variation against two very strong opponents (2300+ & 2600+).  They both opted for:

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3 a6 5.Be3 Qc7 6.g4

They can still repent and change their evil ways by transposing with 7.h4.
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Curious: I thought we dismissed this because of the general rule that Black is okay if the bishop can be retreated to d7 (ie. only push g2-g4 if Black has already played e7-e6).  I guess I'll learn just how valid that maxim is...

I'll be interested to see how they (and you of course) deal with it. I am not convinced that this is the case as the forward pawns are also good in the endgame.
  

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Reply #285 - 01/22/07 at 13:02:41
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I've managed to avoid the Willempie Variation against two very strong opponents (2300+ & 2600+).  They both opted for:

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3 a6 5.Be3 Qc7 6.g4

Curious: I thought we dismissed this because of the general rule that Black is okay if the bishop can be retreated to d7 (ie. only push g2-g4 if Black has already played e7-e6).  I guess I'll learn just how valid that maxim is...
  

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Reply #284 - 01/09/07 at 19:10:27
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Yes: I hope I will manage to avoid the Willempie Variation of the Advanced Caro...   Wink
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #283 - 01/09/07 at 08:37:52
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Keep us posted on this game.

As soon as you see 11.Qxd4 you know who you are up against  Grin
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #282 - 01/09/07 at 03:05:20
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I still feel badly about having abandoned this game.  But the line still fascinates me, and I would like to try to fill in the analysis at some point.  I was reminded of this game just recently, when a new correspondence game against a player rated 2636  ( Shocked Shocked Shocked )began with the moves: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3.  I paused, thought long and hard, and pushed 4...a6.  Hoping for a better result this time out, but am confident that I have a good feel for what comes next...
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #281 - 09/17/06 at 21:29:09
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I thought you were on a holiday or something similar (like chickening out Wink), but this was not quite what I thought.
Good to see you're getting better.

About the game, I saw my suspision confirmed that the g4 move is rather nasty in the advanced in whatever variation. If you want to continue the endgame I am game as I rather like the position endgamewise. After all this is an endgame position in which space is supposed to count less by various authorities I disagree with.
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #280 - 09/17/06 at 18:08:14
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Dear Willempie and colleagues,

After a protracted illness, I am slowly returning to work (and play!).  I apologize for my lengthy silence and feel very badly for having "gone silent" in our game.  From a sporting perspective, I think the only thing I might properly do is resign.  My game might be salvageable, but I think I am worse going into this ending.  So, congratulations to my worthy and patient opponent.

I would, however, like to continue analysis of this line as I recuperate, and would welcome thoughts from Willempie and others during the post-mortem.

Again, my apologies.  I have really missed my friends on colleagues at Chesspub...

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #279 - 08/17/06 at 06:13:21
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It is true it gives black a protected passed pawn, but it would give white two distant passers after f5 and a4. And they are not very easy to stop.
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #278 - 08/15/06 at 23:06:53
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Doesn't exchanging with the d-pawn give me a passed pawn and some counterplay?  I'm rapidly losing confidence in my position, but it seems to me that an eventual dxe5 might actually provide me with a window of opportunity...
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #277 - 08/15/06 at 20:40:31
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HgMan wrote on 08/14/06 at 21:29:55:
28 Kc3 Kc7 29 Kb4 Kb6 30 f5 looks horrible.  I don't know how or why I overlooked 30 f5, but it certainly looks like I should avoid it.  One of the most obvious ways to do that is 28 ... f6, though I'm still looking at Smyslov_Fan's 28 ... Ra8 as well...

I checked the f6 move out in various guises and there I can always turn the tables when you exhange on e5 by recapturing with the d-pawn forcing another passer.
  

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Re: Caro Advance: 4 Nc3 a6
Reply #276 - 08/14/06 at 21:46:38
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HgMan wrote on 08/14/06 at 21:22:15:
Well, if the position is correct, I'd better resign--or hope that Willempie gives up in confusion.  I'm two rooks down, but I have two kings on the board...   Grin

Oops! Embarrassed

Diagram should be fixed now.
  

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