RdC wrote on 07/15/16 at 11:16:26:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/14/16 at 23:32:32:
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Isn't this basically the same as the Van Wissen-Del Rio de Angelis game in the previous posts from 2009? That is 13...Qc8 14.h5 Qxc3+ 15.Kf2 which transposes.
Engines seem to agree that 15. .. Qxa1 is losing, but are willing to advocate 15. .. Qxd4 and 15. .. Bxc2 without consensus. It's a type of position perhaps best avoided in practice where the assessment varies with the search depth and the engine used.
What to make of it? As Black if you play .. Qd8, you might be hacked off the board. Alternatively you might provoke White into over extending if he tries to demolish the opening.
RdC wrote on 07/15/16 at 11:16:26:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/14/16 at 23:32:32:
[quote author=5A495F4B5C575A515F564B4C54390 link=1152466611/22#22 date=1468443085]
Isn't this basically the same as the Van Wissen-Del Rio de Angelis game in the previous posts from 2009? That is 13...Qc8 14.h5 Qxc3+ 15.Kf2 which transposes.
Engines seem to agree that 15. .. Qxa1 is losing, but are willing to advocate 15. .. Qxd4 and 15. .. Bxc2 without consensus. It's a type of position perhaps best avoided in practice where the assessment varies with the search depth and the engine used.
What to make of it? As Black if you play .. Qd8, you might be hacked off the board. Alternatively you might provoke White into over extending if he tries to demolish the opening.
RdC wrote on 07/15/16 at 11:16:26:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/14/16 at 23:32:32:
[quote author=5A495F4B5C575A515F564B4C54390 link=1152466611/22#22 date=1468443085]
Isn't this basically the same as the Van Wissen-Del Rio de Angelis game in the previous posts from 2009? That is 13...Qc8 14.h5 Qxc3+ 15.Kf2 which transposes.
Engines seem to agree that 15. .. Qxa1 is losing, but are willing to advocate 15. .. Qxd4 and 15. .. Bxc2 without consensus. It's a type of position perhaps best avoided in practice where the assessment varies with the search depth and the engine used.
What to make of it? As Black if you play .. Qd8, you might be hacked off the board. Alternatively you might provoke White into over extending if he tries to demolish the opening.
While 3...Qd8 may still be playable, it is clear to me that this does no longer refer to the line below since my analysis show that neither 15...Qxd4 nor 15...Bxc2 can save Black.
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1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Bc4 Bf5 7.Ne5 e6 8.g4 Bg6 9.h4