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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #556 - 05/02/07 at 16:26:39
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Did this thread dissapear? It would be a shame not to continue this to a conclusion given the ground-breaking cutting-edge novelties already contributed!
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #555 - 05/01/07 at 03:34:36
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/30/07 at 20:01:50:
After all the trouble I went to getting this thread back online, nobody seems to be interested in it anymore! Cry


Being the one who requested the recovery of the thread, I appologize for this.  I've been a bit busy since the thread was resurrected (for the last two months, actually), but I hope to start contributing again soon (at least with my next move!).

Thanks again Tony for recovering this thread.
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #554 - 04/30/07 at 20:01:50
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After all the trouble I went to getting this thread back online, nobody seems to be interested in it anymore! Cry
Anyway, the new playable Classical & Rubinstein eBook is ready to download!! Smiley
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5
Reply #553 - 02/26/07 at 01:25:45
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No problem. Take your time. After 23.Rf1 I like 23...a5 pressing the queenside attack and after 23.Nd2 I like 23...Nxd2+ simplifying.

I'm watching Topalov-Morozevich with great interest. It's been an exciting game to watch. It's now just before the first time control and it still looks like a tense, close game to me.

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #552 - 02/26/07 at 00:57:02
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I just got a glance at Topalov-Morozevich.  Interesting game.  It started out as a Steinitz Variation but wound up looking a lot like the sharp 5.f4 line of a closed Tarrasch.

As for our game, 23.a3 could well be the best move but there are a number of possible alternatives which so far I haven't had time to analyze properly.

In addition to the moves mentioned earlier in the thread (e.g., Rf1, Re1, Rf3, Rg3, and Nd2), I am also considering the odd-looking 23.Ka1 (moving the king off the b-file; also b1 can be a useful pivot point for the c3-knight in some lines).  Hoping to avoid 23.a3 if possible, I analyzed 23.Ka1 a bit when deciding to play 22.Qe2 and I think it looks like a valid move.

I have a couple of work-related deadlines coming up, and may not get a chance to give this all a serious look for maybe another week.
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5
Reply #551 - 02/25/07 at 22:58:04
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Sorry, regarding my last post where I referred to an earlier post in this thread, the post said that in these types of positions in the Sicilian, black usually plays his queen rook to b8 before he plays *b4* rather than a5. In this case black can't play b4 at the moment because of his bishop on b4. However, after the insertion of the moves 23.a3 Bf8 then he can.

Incidently, after the move 23.a3 which I'm leaning towards thinking is probably the best move, after 23...Bf8 24.Rf1 I'm preferring 24...Re8 for black now, with the idea of ...exf5 and Ndxe5, with a discovered attack on the queen.

And Moro's playing 7...a6 in his game against Topalov right now. I'm inclined to think that it's Shipov's improvement: 17.f5 in his game with Anand (San Luis 2005) that he's the most afraid of, as this seems to give white a nice advantage based on what I've analyzed.
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5
Reply #550 - 02/24/07 at 20:49:41
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Just thought I'd mention that in the Anand-Mozovich game that we keep referring to in this thread, Morozevich played 18...Rb8 in a quite similar position to the one we have now in this game. In fact, not only were black's pawns on a6 and b5, but most of white's pieces were on the same squares as well, namely his queen, two bishops, rook on d1 and knight on c3. I think it was also mentioned earlier in this thread that in these types of Sicilian positions, the rook is more often played to b8 before pushing the a pawn to a5. Perhaps it creates more latent tactical threats against black's king that way.

Anand,V (2788) - Morozevich,A (2707) [C11]
WCh-FIDE San Luis ARG (13), 13.10.2005
1.e4  e6  2.d4  d5  3.Nc3  Nf6  4.e5  Nfd7  5.f4  c5  6.Nf3  Nc6  7.Be3  cxd4  8.Nxd4  Bc5  9.Qd2  0-0  10.0-0-0  a6  11.Nb3  Bb4  12.Bd3  b5  13.Rhf1  Nb6  14.a3  Be7  15.Nd4  Qc7  16.Nxc6  Qxc6  17.Bd4  Nc4  18.Qe2  Rb8  19.Bxh7+  Kxh7  20.Qh5+  Kg8  21.Rd3  f5  22.Rh3  Bc5  23.Rff3  Bxd4  24.Rfg3  Rb7  25.Qh7+  Kf7  26.Qxg7+  Ke8  27.Qxf8+  1/2-1/2
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5
Reply #549 - 02/24/07 at 05:46:32
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I'll make my next move now: It's 22...Rab8.

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5
Reply #548 - 02/23/07 at 03:12:36
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I will likely play 22...Rab8. Incidently, I'd be interested to see what the experts think of Morozevich's 14...c6 in the Breyer yesterday.
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #547 - 02/22/07 at 02:11:29
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I posted my next move, 22.Qe2, but the post seems to have disappeared.

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Bc5 9.Qd2 0-0 10.0-0-0 a6 11.Nb3 Bb4 12.Bd3 b5 13.g4 Bb7 14.Rhg1 Na5 15.Rg3 Nc4 16.Qe1 Qh4 17.Bd4 Rfc8 18.Qf1 Qe7 19.Kb1 g6 20.Rh3 Bc6 21.f5 Qg5 22.Qe2


current position


The black and white queens have been engaged in an interesting dance this game:
  • 16.Qe1 was answered by 16...Qh4, then
  • 18.Qf1 was answered by 18...Qe7, and now
  • 21...Qg5 is answered by 22.Qe2

And, yes, I think we've got Moro absolutely terrified of the Nijboer Variation now!  Grin  Unfortunately, the Spanish, Breyer Variation didn't really work very well for him today either.

  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5
Reply #546 - 02/22/07 at 02:02:13
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Darn, Stormcrow. I thought I had that chess publishing subscription in the bag. Sad
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #545 - 02/22/07 at 01:44:41
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Moro was scared off by your strong play.  Wink
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #544 - 02/21/07 at 21:47:13
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Sadly, there was no French, Steinitz variation played in Anand-Morozevich today.
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #543 - 02/20/07 at 02:40:52
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Great to hear from you Smyslov_Fan!

The black queen is on g5 not h8, BTW (you might have seen Q@h8 in one of the analysis positions).  Black's last move was 21...Qg5 leading to


1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Bc5 9.Qd2 0-0 10.0-0-0 a6 11.Nb3 Bb4 12.Bd3 b5 13.g4 Bb7 14.Rhg1 Na5 15.Rg3 Nc4 16.Qe1 Qh4 17.Bd4 Rfc8 18.Qf1 Qe7 19.Kb1 g6 20.Rh3 Bc6 21.f5 Qg5


current position


I'm leaning toward 22.Qe2, but am also taking a serious look at 22.a3 and 22.Qf2 (intending Rf1).  It's a tense position, but IMO Black is still very much in the game.  Whiteatak keeps finding great (and sometimes surprising) resources for Black!

  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #542 - 02/20/07 at 02:25:27
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Boy.

After taking some time off from chess, I come back to find the Black queen stuck on h8 and the rest of his pieces in dismal condition.  White has had to choose between several good alternatives for about 10 moves now, and is still piling on the pressure. 

Thanks to Whiteatak for taking on this difficult position! Embarrassed

My mistake may have been on move 3 after all!   Tongue

(I'm stubborn:  I will continue to play my mistaken move, though.)
  
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