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Re: C11: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #571 - 04/15/14 at 22:55:18
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I am still rather proud of this thread, and thought it might be timely to bump it up since there has been a new set of questions on the Steinitz.
  
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Re: C11: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #570 - 01/30/13 at 03:38:59
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I believe this is the entirety of the game that was played in this thread:

  
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Re: C11: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #569 - 11/09/12 at 23:40:42
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*Bump*
There was a question about the Steinitz in another thread.
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #568 - 02/26/09 at 05:46:07
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That Kramnik-Topalov thread contained 1351 posts - more than the number of posts of all but about 10 members.

It goes without saying that such a record would be almost impossible to beat - although the Topalov-Anand World Championship match could be a contender, depending on the interest in this match.
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #567 - 02/25/09 at 21:13:26
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saubhikr wrote on 02/25/09 at 18:05:45:
Is ther any other thread that went one any farther ???? 38 pages already !!!

Here's one: Kramnik-Topalov match

This Steinitz thread is a great one though (my unbiased opinion); brings back some fond memories...
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #566 - 02/25/09 at 18:05:45
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Is ther any other thread that went one any farther ???? 38 pages already !!!
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #565 - 02/25/09 at 06:02:15
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Has Negi's 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Ne2 f6 8.c3 Be7 9.Be3!?, as employed successfully in the game Negi-Shabalov been discussed here yet? It was covered in the latest Yearbook, issue 89.
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #564 - 02/25/09 at 04:01:30
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Since the Steinitz is getting mentioned again, I thought I'd bring back this thread.  It's virtually a book unto itself!
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #563 - 12/31/08 at 12:54:37
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I play: 23.Ka1.

However, I won't be able to make any more moves in the next month due to personal commitments, but hopefully someone else can take over and continue the game.
  

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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #562 - 12/03/08 at 01:44:46
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Are you Mr T from the other side?
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #561 - 12/02/08 at 10:02:05
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Blunderer wrote on 12/01/08 at 10:24:19:
An interesting thread.

I played a game last night which followed the game for some time.

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 cxd4 8. Nxd4 Bc5 9. Qd2 0-0 10. 0-0-0 a6 11. Nb3 Bb4 12. Bd3 b5 13. g4 and here Black played Qc7 which i am informed is a recommendation of Ziegler on his DVD.

In the analysis above only 11..Bb7 and Nb6 were looked at. Qc7 seems to me to have some logic to it as it adds some support along the 7th to the kingside, puts more pressure down the queenside and also prevents White's Ne4 ideas in some lines.

The question is what to play for White?

I continued with 12 Rhg1 Nb6 13 Qf2 Nc4 and here is think maybe best is Bc5.  

I suspect that there is a beter way to continue than what i played.  Rybka, after a relatively superficial look liked ideas such as a3 and Kb1 which don't feel right to me.  

If any of you has the energy to have a look it would be interesting to hear your views.


Ziegler only shows 15 a3 when Nc4 looks ok. His analyses: "13.g4 Qc7 14.Rhg1 Nb6 15.a3 Nc4 16.Bxc4 bxc4 17.axb4 cxb3 18.Bc5 bxc2 19.Qxc2 Rd8 20.Rg3 Rb8 21.Rh3 h6 22.g5 Nxb4 23.Nxb4 Rxb4 24.gxh6 g6 25.h7+ Kg7 26.Qf2 Qc4 27.Kb1 Rh8 28.Rdd3 Rxh7 29.Rxh7+ Kxh7 30.Qh4+ Kg7 31.Qf6+ Kg8 32.Qd8+ Kg7 33.Qf6+=] "

In your game Bc5 is I think strongly met with Bxc5 15 Nxc5 Nb4 looks al least equal for Black and Qxc5 can me met with Bb7 followed by Rac8 without problems for Black
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #560 - 12/01/08 at 10:24:19
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An interesting thread.

I played a game last night which followed the game for some time.

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 cxd4 8. Nxd4 Bc5 9. Qd2 0-0 10. 0-0-0 a6 11. Nb3 Bb4 12. Bd3 b5 13. g4 and here Black played Qc7 which i am informed is a recommendation of Ziegler on his DVD.

In the analysis above only 11..Bb7 and Nb6 were looked at. Qc7 seems to me to have some logic to it as it adds some support along the 7th to the kingside, puts more pressure down the queenside and also prevents White's Ne4 ideas in some lines.

The question is what to play for White?

I continued with 12 Rhg1 Nb6 13 Qf2 Nc4 and here is think maybe best is Bc5. 

I suspect that there is a beter way to continue than what i played.  Rybka, after a relatively superficial look liked ideas such as a3 and Kb1 which don't feel right to me. 

If any of you has the energy to have a look it would be interesting to hear your views.
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #559 - 08/20/08 at 06:01:49
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One major alternative to the main move 5.f4 is 5.Nf3 c5 6.dc5, when 6...Nc6 7.Bf4 Bc5 8.Bd3, when 8...0-0?? 9.Bh7! is very strong, but 8...f6 is stronger. For example: 9.ef6 Nf6 (9...Qf6!? is a good alternative) 10.Qe2 (10.0-0 0-0 is more common, but looks rather harmless to me; e.g. 11.Ne5 Bd7) 10...0-0 11.0-0-0 and now 11...Qa5 looks close to equal, whilst 11...Bd7!? is also possible.

  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #558 - 08/12/08 at 12:44:08
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Greatly appreciated SM. I will have to take some time to read the whole thread before I comment further.
  
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Re: Steinitz:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd
Reply #557 - 08/12/08 at 07:39:53
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Hi, I just thought I'd bring this thread back to the top since there's some recent interest in the Steinitz.

Cheers!
  
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