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Re: Article on 4. ... Nf6 Caro by Ray Keene
Reply #5 - 07/21/06 at 10:29:08
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so the recent improvement for Black is a rapid game from 1993  Huh  Looks like an article Keene has dug up from the archives - all the same the idea is interesting...
  
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Re: Article on 4. ... Nf6 Caro by Ray Keene
Reply #4 - 07/21/06 at 10:19:27
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Hello,

  As far as I can tell, what Mnb points out, is the only theoretically significant bit in whole article. In a6 slav, for example, sort of plays through the recent Topalov v Kamsky game, but only suggestion for black is to play 5...g6 instead of the currently popular 5...nb-d7.

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Re: Article on 4. ... Nf6 Caro by Ray Keene
Reply #3 - 07/21/06 at 02:55:06
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Well, at least Keene gives something here: 8.g3 Qa5 9.Qe2 (9.Bg2 Qb5  Short-Seirawan, Monte Carlo 1993) Bg4 10.Bg2 0-0-0 11.h3 Bh5 12.0-0 e5.
"when Black plans ... Bd6.  This way I believe Black can fight for the initiative and can obtain a fully viable middlegame.  Without this resource I think Black faces a possibly insurmountable uphill task!"
Btw, the repertoire presented by Keene is not a universal defence. The openings only have the moves c6, d5 and Nf6 in common. But playing dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ gxf6 is completely different from 4...a6 or 4...Bg4.
  

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Re: Article on 4. ... Nf6 Caro by Ray Keene
Reply #2 - 07/20/06 at 17:04:42
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FightingDragon wrote on 07/20/06 at 09:06:30:
Hello!

Has anybody read Ray Keene's article about a complete defence for black?
You can find it at: http://chessville.com/Keene/AllPurposeBlackDefence.htm

What do you think of it?
In my opinion it is rather superficial, but what can you expect from an article that presents a universal black defence?

What I really would be interested in (listen up, Caro-Kann fans  Wink) is if black is really fine after the variations Keene gives.
I always thought black had problems in the 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 de4: 4.Ne4: Nf6 5.Nf6:+ gf6: variation.


Keene is really just giving notes on Spassky-Larsen, Buenos Aires 1979,  while also recommending this system to the attention of Black players -- the same thing, oddly enough, that Andrew Martin did in a recent ChessPub update.  If all 4...Nf6 games went as well for Black as that one, this system would be more popular than the Najdorf.   It's true that this system is very dynamic and offers Black plenty of opportunity for the whole point, but the key challenge is White's early kingside fianchetto.  So far, no one has found a convincing antidote to that, and so 4...Nf6 is not played very much.

I asked Martin if he had any ideas for Black against 5. Nxf6+ gxf6  6. c3 Bf5  7. Nf3 Nd7  8. g3!, and as yet, his answer hasn't appeared.  Some weeks ago, I pointed out that there was a bad error in the analysis of this variation in the ChessPub Caro ebook, and so far, nobody has bothered to clean it up.   

See here for that detail and also the thoughts of various players about this line:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1147831967
  

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Re: Article on 4. ... Nf6 Caro by Ray Keene
Reply #1 - 07/20/06 at 09:37:14
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So now Keene claims this variation as the universal black defense. Didnt he & Boterill also claim something similar with the Modern Defense? - "A universal  defense to 1.P-K4, 1.P-Q4 & 1.P-QB4"?

Quite frankly I would be very skeptical over any defense which claims to be "universal" or "all purpose" etc
  

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Article on 4. ... Nf6 Caro by Ray Keene
07/20/06 at 09:06:30
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Hello!

Has anybody read Ray Keene's article about a complete defence for black?
You can find it at: http://chessville.com/Keene/AllPurposeBlackDefence.htm

What do you think of it?
In my opinion it is rather superficial, but what can you expect from an article that presents a universal black defence?

What I really would be interested in (listen up, Caro-Kann fans  Wink) is if black is really fine after the variations Keene gives.
I always thought black had problems in the 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 de4: 4.Ne4: Nf6 5.Nf6:+ gf6: variation.
  
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