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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #25 - 08/04/06 at 20:52:05
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Decent move, but 10...b5 11.Rfd1 Na5 also was to be considered. The white queen has some shortage of good squares.
I suppose we will see something like 10...Qb8 11.Rfd1 Be7 (b5 12.Rac1) 12.a4 (12.Rd2 and b5 13.Rc1 o-o is possible) o-o (Na5 13.Qb6 Nc6 14.Rd2) 13.Qd1 Rd8 and an interesting plan is Rd7, Qf8 and Rad8. Black seems to be a little better.
  

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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #24 - 08/04/06 at 16:13:40
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1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3 e6 10.Be2 Qb8


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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #23 - 08/04/06 at 15:34:34
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Strangely enough, no seems to have noticed my last post, in which I was wondering whether to go for 8. ...e5 ; 9. Ktg5 ef. Now that I've had a proper look at the position, I'm definitely rejecting it. While Black is busy rounding up the horse in the corner, White is drumming up more than sufficient compensation. He can even try 9.Bg5 when opposite coloured Bishops and the backward d-pawn give him excellent drawing chances. Another thought is 8. ...Qa5, but then 9. Ktd5 is a bit annoying. That leaves 8. ...e6 and 8. ...Bg4. The first gives rise to a kind of Old Main Line (6. ...e6) where White has commited his Bishop to -f4, which is of course by no means a poor square. With ...Qc7-b8 and ...Ktf6-d7-e5 manoeuvres , Black should manage to contain White's activity and remain on top, but there definitely is some compensation. Therefore, I will follow Ben's line of [b]8. Bf4 Bg4 ; 9. Qb3 e6 ; 10. Be2[/b] and I respond with [b]10. ...Qb8[/b]
  
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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #22 - 08/02/06 at 21:01:32
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Don't know if 10.Be2 is a TN, my database only contains games with 10.Qxb7.
I recommended 8.h3 because I thought the alternatives 8.a3, 8.Bg5, 8.b4, and 8.Qe2 were all inferior. I also thought 8.Bf4 was bad but this solely rested on disapproval of the line 8...Bg4 9.Qb3 e6 10.Qxb7.
Yes 8.h3 allows Black to transpose into various other defences with White committed to h2-h3. However, I don't think the Chicago defence with or without h3 is such a good choice for Black. In other lines (Qc7; Bd7 or clasiscal) h3 is not such a bad move.
Indeed, is the positional compensation for White bigger after Ben's 10.Be2 than after 8.h3 e6 9.Qe2 ? Hopefully this game will brings us closer to answering this question.
  
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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #21 - 08/02/06 at 09:26:05
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OstapBender wrote on 08/01/06 at 20:06:30:
Is the last position current, or still contingent on Uberdeker accepting  the sequence 7...Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3 e6 (this is not entirely clear)? 

As near as I can tell we have: 7.0-0

with the conditional moves: if 7...Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3 e6 then 10.Be2

and we are waiting for Uberdeker to reply to either 7.0-0 or, if he accepts the conditional moves, to 10.Be2.

Sorry, if I missed something.



Yes, you're right. For some reason I keep getting you and Uberdeker confused.
  
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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #20 - 08/02/06 at 01:41:48
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Is 10.Be2 a TN?

A couple of years ago Dragonslayer in a CCN article recommended 8.h3. Is that still the case?
  

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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #19 - 08/01/06 at 23:10:50
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Hi guys. Just back from Holidays  Cool

I didn't necessarily agree with Ben's choice of 8.Bf4 but would love for it to work.

I think 10.Be2 is a wise decision. I don't trust 10.Qxb7 and my attempts to make 10.Ng5 work proved futile. I even tried 10.e5 but 10...Bxf3 ended that adventure.
  
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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #18 - 08/01/06 at 20:06:30
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Is the last position current, or still contingent on Uberdeker accepting  the sequence 7...Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3 e6 (this is not entirely clear)?  

As near as I can tell we have: 7.0-0

with the conditional moves: if 7...Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3 e6 then 10.Be2

and we are waiting for Uberdeker to reply to either 7.0-0 or, if he accepts the conditional moves, to 10.Be2.

Sorry, if I missed something.

  

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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #17 - 08/01/06 at 19:33:15
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Sorry for the delay, but this is clearly a critical position and I wanted to give it some thought.
After 10.Ng5 Na5 11.Qa4+ Nd7 12.f3 Nxc4 13.Qxc4 White has sufficient compensation if he can force e5 (as at the moment one bishop is locked out of the game, if the other one is as well then Black could run out of pieces that he can move). Unfortunately I can't find a way to force e5. I'd love this to work, but barring bright ideas I think this is another line for the scrapheap.

After 10.Qxb7 Na5 11.Qb4 e5 12.Bd5 then after 12...Nxd5 13.exd5 exf4 14.Qxf4 Bxf3 15.Qa4+ Qd7 16.Rfe1+ Be7 17.Rxe7+ Kxe7 18.Re1+ Kd8 19.Qza5+ Qc7 or 12...Rb8 13.Qa4+ Bd7 14.Qd1 exf4 15.Ng5 Nxd5 16.Qxd5 Be6 17.Nxe6 fxe6 18.Qxe6+ Be7 I think that White has good practical compensation, at any rate I wouldn't be too unhappy to reach either position OTB. However I really don't trust them theoretically.

So I'm going to play 10.Be2. The idea being that the brute force approach doesn't seem to be working so I'm going to switch to the positional approach and try to claim that my better development coupled with the weaknesses on b7 and d6 give me enough compensation.


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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #16 - 07/29/06 at 20:31:09
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Dji wrote on 07/29/06 at 14:25:46:
6...a6 7.Bg5! Nf6 8.Bxf6 gf6 9.0-0 (I 'm oblige to admit 9.Nh4?) Bg4 10.Qb3 e6 11.Qxb7 Na5 12.Qb4 Bxf3 and then simply 13.gf3 (Palkovi 13.Qa4+) and I prefer withe besause first no pawn down!! and second the withe king can be safe on h1 and the black is still in the middle.
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I already gave 9...e6! 10.Nd4 h5, compare Suetin-Botvinnik, Moscow 1952.
  

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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #15 - 07/29/06 at 17:42:57
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Ben_Hague wrote on 07/28/06 at 17:49:31:
So my next move will be 7.0-0

1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0


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Ben_Hague wrote on 07/28/06 at 17:49:31:
offering the sequence 7...Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3 e6.


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Ben_Hague wrote on 07/28/06 at 17:49:31:
After this I'm not sure what to play. I suspect that 10.Qxb7 is best, but my pet line in this position is 10.Ng5 so I'm really tempted to give it a punt. If we reach that position I'll have to give it some thought.


  

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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #14 - 07/29/06 at 15:06:24
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I'm not so sure 8. Bf4 e5 should be so easily dismissed. I don't have a board with me but the line I'm thinking of runs 9. Ktg5 ef ; 10. Ktxf7 Qe7 ; 11. Ktxh8 and now either 11. ...Be6 or 11. ...Kte5 followed by ...Be6 with ideas of ...0-0-0, ...g5, ...Bg7 and ...f3 at some point.
Must look at this in more detail before deciding whether or not I should avoid the whole thing.

P.S. Dji, Ben has not chosen 7. Bg5 "!", so any long discussion of that will be out of place in this thread, but it should be mentioned that there's no need to give back the pawn with ...Bg4, since the Knight is misplaced on -f3 anyway.
  
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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #13 - 07/29/06 at 14:25:46
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6...a6 7.Bg5! Nf6 8.Bxf6 gf6 9.0-0 (I 'm oblige to admit 9.Nh4?) Bg4 10.Qb3 e6 11.Qxb7 Na5 12.Qb4 Bxf3 and then simply 13.gf3 (Palkovi 13.Qa4+) and I prefer withe besause first no pawn down!! and second the withe king can be safe on h1 and the black is still in the middle.
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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #12 - 07/29/06 at 10:23:17
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Black can also try to reach calm waters after 10. Ng5 with 10...Na5. Play could continue 11. Qa4+ Nd7 and now:
12. f3 Nxc4 13. Qxc4 Rc8 14. Qe2 Nh5 and black is ok
12. Be2 Bxe2 13. Nxe2 Be7 14. h4 0-0 where black has completed his development and white has no immediate threats.
  
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Re: Ben_Hague v Uberdeker, Smith-Morra Gambit
Reply #11 - 07/29/06 at 03:19:35
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Browsing through my notes on the MG I found the following analysis by Ben Hague:

<1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 7.O-O Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3 e6 10.Ng5 b5 11.Nxb5 h6
(11...axb5 12.Bxb5 Rc8 13.Rfc1 +-)
(11…Na5 12.Qa4 axb5 13.Bxb5 Nd7 looks like the main line. I'm not sure what's happening here, white can get another pawn for the piece with 14.Nxf7 Kxf7 15.Bxd7, and there is clearly some compensation for the material, but if it's enough is hard to say. My gut feeling is that while there are good practical chances it may not be quite enough)

12.Bxe6
(12.Nxe6 fxe6 13.Bxe6 axb5 14.Bxg4 Nxg4 15.Qe6+ Qe7 16.Qxg4 unclear)

12…hxg5 
( 12...fxe6 13.Nxe6 Bxe6 14.Qxe6+ +- )
( 12...axb5 13.Bxf7+ 
( 13.Nxf7 Nd4 14.Qe3 Ne2+ 15.Kh1 Nxf4 16.Qxf4 Bxe6 17.Nxd8 Rxd8 +/- )
13...Ke7 14.Bh5 Qd7 15.Qf7+ Kd8 16.Bxg4 Nxg4 17.Ne6+ Kc8 18.Qf5 +/- )

13.Bxf7+ Kd7 The critical position
( 13...Ke7 14.Bxd6+ +- )
14.Bxg5 
( 14.Nxd6 gxf4 
( 14...Bxd6 15.Bxd6 Kxd6 16.f3 unclear)
15.Nf5 Kc7 16.Rfd1 Qc8 17.Qc4 Bxd1 18.Rxd1 unclear)

14...axb5 15.f3 Nd4 16.Qd3 Be6 17.Bxe6+ Nxe6 18.Qxb5+ unclear

I'm not sure that all this works, but I think that at least it deserves analysis.>
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@Arkhein:
This variation is pretty good for White: 11.Bf4 Qb8 (b4 12.Nd5) 12.Rd2 (Palkovi suggests 12.Nd5) Be7 (b4 13.Nd5) 13.a3 0-0 14.Rad1 Nc5 15.Bc2 e5 16.Bg5 and I won a friendly corr game MNb-Peeters, 1994. Black should have played Rc8. Moreover there is 13.Nd5 (already getting bored?) b4 (Ne5 14.Nxb5! axb5 15.Nxe5 0-0 Zelic-Armanda, Split 1998, 16.Nxf7!? with interesting complications) 14.Rxd6 Nc5 15.Qc4 bxc3 16.Rxe6 fxe6 17.Bxb8 Rxb8 unclear.
No Open Sicilians with an extra pawn here. Cool

  

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