I know this thread got off-track for a while and that I'm partially responsible for that.  My apologies for that.

Even so, at the time of writing this has ten pages of notes and should help with any current discussion of the Budapest.

Cheers!

I tried to play the duch opening,because you can play it against 1.d4 and also against 1.c4.
"THEMOVE ,please stop to post things with the intention to attak someone,I am bland that you praised me,but I dont want to see anymore posts with the intention to attak someone."
You fight for the justice 
But you can believe me that I had no intent to attak SF .
I am new here and I wanted to tell my opinion .
Sorry SF

  A complot? 

Smyslov_Fan seems really to dislike Udav18.
Well I have read all the posts here to know the status quo and to me it seems really that Smyslov_Fan attaks Udav all the time,without any reason.I have to say that Udav18 did really a hard and good job to defend the Buderpester and SF seems not to like the idea that the Bpg could be reanimated.
But at least he was right this opening isnt really a strong weapon against good players.
I played it also for a few years and played it against 3 Im's and 2 GM's (Isnt that stupid? )
Well the score was 1,5-3,5  for them but I am happy that this had happened.So I was forced to quit this opening and to try a solid opening.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/14/07 at 13:20:17:


I never had any difficulties with you,you just allways tried to anger me,no matter what was said.If someone said something against a variation I had shown ,you felt allways that this had to be backed with some annoying posts,which are directed against me.
But I am not angry with you about this,I just exploited your corrupt posts to exersise my english language for the Abitur ,so in fact I have to thank you . (one advice: If you have some problems with someone here,just send him a personal message not to distract all the members here)
Also I have never said that black is better ,if white plays the best moves(Or do you see any post,where I said such stupid think?)
There was only one interessting line,where black was slight better,because white played not acurate enough.
At least I have to say,that the Bpg is an interessting opening,which has some advantages(black can win really quickly,if white dont know how to play against it)
But if white does know how to play, it will be difficult for black to hold the resulting positions unless black is a comp.
As I am too bad to find such good moves for black like a comp. I want to swich to some other opening and hopefully I will have a chance to use the Bpg against some weak player in a tournament not to have done all this work for nothing.
I wish you all good luck in your chesscareer and maybe some day I will read in the news,that some guy here used our discussed ideas to defeat a GM 

Yes, but it is only universal when you combine it with the Caro-Kann: 1.c4 c6 2.e4.

Udav18 wrote on 08/12/07 at 10:46:02:


Udav, I think you've mentioned at least the stem of this game before.  However, it doesn't show that there is any independent merit in delaying the capture on c3, because the position on the board after 13.bxc3 is a transposition to similar lines after 6...Bxc3.  Do you see this?  It may be that this line is slightly better than what Black usually gets, but that's because White has made some mistakes.

Indeed, the idea of delaying capture on c3 is flawed.  White can obtain a better game simply by preventing his c-pawn from being doubled.  He has many opportunities to do this, from 7.Rc1 (of independent interest, although protecting the knight with the queen is also possible) to 11.0-0-0 (when White retains his structure and the pawn).  Even 11.Nd2 is probably better than Be2, for the same reason.  Look at some games and try to convince yourself of this fact.   If you're unconvinced, you should be able to give concrete reasons.

The Budapest (at least with 3...Ng4 -- I know almost nothing about 3...Ne4 lines) is not a good opening to play if you are determined to avoid positions with no chances for simplified material.  Often, White has the opportunity to force (say) the exchange of queens and three pairs of minor pieces.  Of course, there are not many openings where Black can force complications without taking the worst of it, at least to some extent.

As for myself, I am an amateur; the Budapest is just one of the few openings I have analyzed in detail.

I think I'll take a few days break from posting in this thread to give you some time to look through what I've written.