MNb wrote on 08/11/07 at 04:22:55:


Yes, of course , i 've forgotten Qh5 a key move in the ussr. Now i became more clear and i have a good feeling!

[Event "versionIV"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.08.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Analyse"]
[Black "Morra ussr "]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "B21"]
[Annotator "Dji"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[EventDate "2007.08.12"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1996.11.15"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 e6 5. Bc4 a6 6. Nf3 Ne7 7. Bg5 b5 8. Bb3
h6 9. Be3 Bb7 10. O-O Ng6 11. Nd4 Be7 (11... Nc6 12. Nxc6 Bxc6 13. f4 Be7 14.
f5 Ne5 15. Qh5 Bd6 16. fxe6 dxe6 17. Bxe6 O-O 18. Bb3 {
with a dangerous initiative (idea Bxh6)}) (11... b4 12. Nd5 {
a 'standard' against an early b4} 12... exd5 13. exd5 Bc5 (13... Qf6 14. Nf3 {
with good compensation}) (13... Bd6 14. Nf5 {idem}) 14. Nc6 Qb6 (14... dxc6 15.
Bxc5 cxd5 16. Re1+ Kd7 17. Rc1) (14... Nxc6 15. dxc6 Bxc6 16. Bxc5 Qg5 17. Re1+
Kd8 18. Bb6+ Kc8 19. g3 Kb7 20. Bd4 Rhe8 21. Rc1 Nf4 22. Be3 Nh3+ 23. Kf1 Qf5
24. Qd4 Rxe3 (24... Qe4 25. Qb6+ Kc8 26. Rxc6+ dxc6 27. Bxf7 Rd8 28. Qxd8+ Kxd8
29. Bb6+ Ke7 30. Rxe4+ Kxf7 31. Rxb4 $16) 25. Qxe3 Ng5 26. Red1 Qh3+ 27. Ke1
Nf3+ 28. Ke2 Nxh2 29. Rd4 a5 30. Bd5 $18) 15. Bxc5 Qxc5 16. Re1+ Kf8 17. Rc1
Qb6 18. Qf3 Kg8 19. Re7 +-) 12. f4 {Probably more precise than the immediate Qh5} 12... O-O (12... b4 {again risky}f5 ( the point of the move order! Now this move is dangerous) bxc3 (13... Ne5 14. fxe6 dxe6 15. Qh5 O-O 16. Nxe6) 14. fxg6 f6 15. bxc3
Bxe4 (15... O-O 16. Qh5) 16. Bxe6) 13. Qh5 b4 14. f5 Ne5 (14... Nh4 15. fxe6
dxe6 16. Rad1 !? (16. Bxe6 !? fxe6 (16... bxc3 17. Bxf7+ Kh7 18. Ne6 cxb2 19.
Rab1 +-) 17. Nxe6 Qd3 18. Bxh6 with attack)) (14... bxc3 15. fxg6 fxg6 (15... Qe8 16.
Rxf7 +-) 16. Qxg6 cxb2 17. Bxe6+ dxe6 18. Nxe6 bxa1=Q 19. Rxa1 Rf7 20. Nxd8
Bxd8 21. Rf1 Re7 22. Bc5 Bxe4 23. Rf8+ Kxf8 24. Bxe7+ Bxe7 25. Qxe4 Nc6 26.
Qxc6 +-) 15. fxe6 dxe6 16. Nxe6 fxe6 17. Rxf8+ Qxf8 18. Qxe5 +/- *

There are two other relevant games, albeit by transposition:

Tkaczyk,P - Jedrzejowski,M [B21]
corr 1996
1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 e6 5.Nf3 a6 6.Bc4 b5 7.Bb3 Bb7 8.Qe2 Ne7 9.Bg5 h6 10.Be3 Ng6 11.0–0 Be7 12.Nd4 0–0 13.Rad1 Qc7 14.Qh5 b4 15.Nce2 Bxe4 16.Ng3 Bb7 17.f4 Nh4 18.f5 Nxg2 19.Bxh6 Qe5 20.Bxg7 Kxg7 21.f6+ Bxf6 22.Ngf5+ exf5 23.Nxf5+ Kg8 24.Qg6+ Kh8 25.Bxf7 Rxf7 26.Qxf7 Nh4 27.Rd3 Qc5+ 28.Re3 Nxf5 29.Qxf6+ Kh7 30.Qxf5+ Qxf5 31.Rxf5 Kg6 32.Rf2 a5 33.Rg3+ Kh5 34.Rf5+ Kh6 35.Rf6+ Kh5 36.Rb6 Ba6 37.Rbg6 Nc6 38.R3g5+ Kh4 39.Rg2 Kh5 40.R6g5+ Kh6 41.R5g3 Be2 42.Rxe2 1–0

Notes:
12...b4 worries me a bit; 13.Na4 Bxe4 14.Rad1 Qa5 15.f4 Nc6 (0-0 16.f5 is great for White) 16.f5 Nge5 17.fxe6 dxe6 18.Nxe6 fxe6 19.Bb6 only shows, that a5 is a bad square for the queen. Is 14...Qc7 better? 15.f4 Qb7 16.f5 Nh4 17.fxe6 fxe6 18.Bxe6 is another attacking line.
17...Nc6 18.Ndf5 Bf6 19.Nxh6+ gxh6 20.f5 Nge5 21.Ne4 and White has a dangerous attack.

Frankle,J (2250) - Serper,G (2555) [B21]
American op-37 (2), 2001
1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 e6 5.Nf3 a6 6.Bc4 b5 7.Bb3 Bb7 8.Qe2 Ne7 9.Bg5 h6 10.Be3 Ng6 11.0–0 Be7 12.Rad1 0–0 13.Nd4 Qc7 14.a3 Nc6 15.Qh5 Nxd4 16.Bxd4 Rac8 17.Rd3 Bd6 18.Rfd1 Be5 19.Bxe5 Qxe5 20.Qxe5 Nxe5 21.Rd6 Bc6 22.R6d4 Rc7 23.a4 bxa4 24.Nxa4 Rb8 25.Bc2 Bxa4 26.Bxa4 Rxb2 27.f4 Ng4 28.h3 Ne3 29.R1d2 Rxd2 30.Rxd2 d5 31.Rd3 Rc4 32.exd5 Nxd5 33.Bb3 Rc3 34.Rxc3 Nxc3 35.Kf2 a5 36.Ke3 a4 37.Kd3 axb3 38.Kxc3 Kh7 39.Kxb3 Kg6 40.g4 h5 41.Kc4 hxg4 42.hxg4 e5 0–1

Which shows, that 14.a3 is a lame move.

1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 e6 5.Bc4 a6 6.Nf3 Ne7 7.Bg5 b5 8.Bb3 h6 9.Be3 Bb7 10.O-O Ng6 11.Nd4 Be7 and the obvious plan is 12.Qh5 (winning a tempo and compared to the Serper game even two) b4 13.Nce2 Bxe4 14.Ng3 Bb7 15.f4 Nc6 16.Rad1 and 17.f5. I am a little more worried about 11...b4 at once. White has compensation after 12.Nce2 Bxe4 13.Ng3 Bb7 14.f4, but is it enough for two pawns?

In that Novak-Lanc game White has some other options.
12.Nd4 (iso 12.Nd2) Bxc3 13.bxc3 Bxe4 14.a4 bxa4 (Qc8 15.axb5 Qxc3? 16.Rfc1 +-) 15.Rxa4 Bb7 16.f4 0-0 17.f5 exf5 18.Nxf5 and all White pieces are ready for action.
12...Qf6 (iso Nc6) 13.a4 bxa4 14.Bxa4 Nf4 15.Qc4
14.a4 (iso 14.Rad1) bxa4 15.Rxa4 followed by 16.e5 or 16.f5.

At the moment it is clear as mud to me.

Taimanov 've played only the main line of the morra so historically speaking i prefer Ussr .
I have found two games with Be3, i would like with move work but yesterday 've found nothing
convincing . 
[ Event "Milwaukee"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1984.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Gomez"]
[Black "Smith, Daniel"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B21"]
[PlyCount "61"]
[EventDate "1984.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 e6 5. Nf3 a6 6. Bc4 Ne7 7. Bg5 h6 8. Be3
b5 9. Bb3 Bb7 10. O-O d6 11. Nd4 Nbc6 12. f4 Nxd4 13. Bxd4 Nc6 14. Be3 Na5 15.
f5 Nxb3 16. fxe6 Nxa1 17. Rxf7 g6 18. Rxb7 Rc8 19. Nd5 Be7 20. Rxe7+ Qxe7 21.
Nxe7 Kxe7 22. Qxa1 Rc6 23. b3 Rh7 24. Bxh6 Kxe6 25. Bg7 Kd7 26. h3 Rh5 27. Qf1
Rhc5 28. Qf7+ Kc8 29. Qe8+ Kb7 30. Bh6 g5 31. Bxg5 1-0

[Event "Prague Mladi op"]
[Site "Prague"]
[Date "1990.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Novak, Ivan"]
[Black "Lanc, Alois"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B21"]
[WhiteElo "2285"]
[BlackElo "2465"]
[Annotator "Dji"]
[PlyCount "80"]
[EventDate "1990.??.??"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1996.11.15"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 e6 5. Bc4 a6 6. Nf3 Ne7 7. Bg5 b5 8. Bb3
h6 9. Be3 Bb7 10. O-O Ng6 11. Qe2 (11. Nd4 {The most obvious plan....?} 11...
Be7 12. f4 O-O 13. f5 Ne5 {blacks seems to hold}) 11... Bb4 12. Nd2 Nc6 13. f4
Qe7 14. Rad1 Na5 15. f5 Ne5 16. fxe6 dxe6 17. Qh5 Nac6 18. Nf3 g6 19. Qh3 Bc5
20. Bxc5 Qxc5+ 21. Kh1 Nc4 22. Nd5 exd5 23. exd5 Ne7 24. Bxc4 bxc4 25. Ne5 Bc8
26. Qf3 Nf5 27. d6 Ra7 28. Rd5 Qe3 29. d7+ Rxd7 30. Nxd7 Qxf3 31. Nf6+ Ke7 32.
Rxf3 Kxf6 33. Rc5 Bb7 34. Rf1 Rd8 35. Rxc4 Rd2 36. Rfc1 Bxg2+ 37. Kg1 Bd5 38.
Rc5 Ne3 39. R5c3 Rg2+ 40. Kh1 Rg5# 0-1

 
some more analyse with Bh4...
[Event "Prague"]
[Site "Prague"]
[Date "2007.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Analyse"]
[Black "Morra USSR with h6"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "B21"]
[Annotator "Dji 9.8.2007"]
[PlyCount "31"]
[EventDate "1990.??.??"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1996.11.15"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 e6 5. Bc4 a6 6. Nf3 Ne7 7. Bg5 b5 8. Bb3
h6 9. Bh4 Bb7 10. O-O Nbc6 11. a4 b4 (11... bxa4 12. Bxa4 g5 13. Bg3 Bg7 14.
Qd6 O-O 15. Rfd1) 12. Nd5 d6 (or 12... Na5?! 13. Ne5! (better than Nb4) exd5 (13... Nxb3 14. Qf3 Nf5
15. Bxd8+-) 13...exd5 14. Qf3 Qb6 15. Bxd5 {with an attack}) ( or 12... f6 13. Rc1 Rc8 (
13... exd5 14. exd5 Na5 15. d6 Nxb3 16. Qxb3 Nd5 17. Rfe1+ Kf7 18. Ne5+ Kg8 19.
Rc7 +-) 14. Re1 Ng6 15. e5 Nxh4 16. Nxh4 Nxe5 17. Qh5+ Nf7 18. Nf5 Rxc1 19.
Rxc1 Bxd5 20. Bxd5 Qb8 21. Qg6 {what a position!}) ( or 12... Rc8!? maybe best 13. Re1 d6 14. a5
exd5 15. exd5 Na7 16. Ba4+ Nb5 17. Nd4 Qd7 18. Qe2 Bxd5 19. Nxb5 axb5 20. Bxb5
Bc6 21. Bxc6 Rxc6 22. a6 Rc8 23. Qe4 f5 24. Qd5 {with good compensation}) 13.
a5 13... exd5 14. exd5 Nb8 (14...Na7 15. Ba4+ Nb5 16. Nd4 f6 17. Qh5+ g6 18. Qf3 f5 19. Rfe1 Rh7 20. Re6 Qd7 21. Qd3 Bxd5 22. Nxb5 axb5 23. Qxd5 Rxa5 24. Rae1
g5 25. Bc2 Kd8 26. Qd1 b3 27. Rxd6 Nc6 28. Rxd7+ Rxd7 29. Bd3 +/-) 15. Re1 Qc7
16. Nd4 +/- *

Hello Mnb and all!

First of all i would like to propose a name for variations with Nge7 (before the developpement of the king's bishop).This variation was played as early as the fifties by players such as Suetin, Koblenz(koblencs)... then Petkevitch, Sakharov and more recently Yudasin and the King himself! (Landa-Kasparov 1988) so why not the USSR's variation! 

Second  the USSR   with h6 is relatively unknown territory so it's not easy to find the right way.
At the time (1994)Burgess prefered h6 Bh4 and now Langrock recommand h6 Be3 


In the game i just give some personnal ideas if you don't like it find another one!

[Event "Regionalliga SO 0203"]
[Site "Bayern"]
[Date "2002.10.20"]
[Round "1.2"]
[White "Lochte, Thomas"]
[Black "Knechtel, Roland"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B21"]
[WhiteElo "2156"]
[BlackElo "2141"]
[Annotator "Dji"]
[PlyCount "112"]
[EventDate "2002.10.20"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2003.11.25"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 e6 5. Nf3 a6 6. Bc4 b5 7. Bb3 Bb7 8. O-O
Ne7 9. Bg5 h6 10. Bh4 b4?  (10... Nbc6 {Maybe best} 11. a4 b4 12. Nd5 {
with ideas such as Rc1,Te1,Bg3 or sometime a5}) (10... d6 11. Nd4 {
it's not easy to avoid pieces sac on e6. Just one or two examples} 11... Nd7 (
11... Qd7 12. f4) 12. Bxe6 fxe6 13. Nxe6 Qb6 (13... Qb8 14. Bg3 (14. f4) 14...
Ne5 15. Rc1 Nc4 16. b3 Bc8 17. Nxf8 Ne5 18. Nd5 Nxd5 19. Bxe5 Rxf8 20. Bxg7 Rf721. exd5 Rxg7 22. Re1+ Kf8 23. Qf3+ Rf7 24. Qc3) 14. Bxe7 (14. Rc1) 14... Kxe7(14... Bxe7 15. Qh5+ g6 16. Qxg6#) 15. Nf4 Kd8 16. Ncd5 Bxd5 17. Qxd5 Ra7 18.Ng6 Nf6 19. Qd3 Rg8 20. e5 Be7 21. exf6 Bxf6 22. Rfe1+-{Maybe there's better  defence....})
(10... g5 another try but it's probably too early because blacks have a big lack of developpement and too much weakness 11. Bg3 Ng6 12. Ne5 Nxe5 13. Bxe5
Rg8 14. Bg3 b4 15. Nd5 exd5 16. exd5 Be7 17. Re1 d6 18. Qd4 Kf8 19. Qxb4 Bc820. Rxe7 Kxe7 21. Bc2 21... f6 (21... Re8 22. Re1+ +-)) 11. Ne5! 
+- (11. Nd5!?) 11... Nbc6 (11... g5 12. Qh5 Rh7 13. Nd5 exd5 14. Bxg5 Qc7 (
14... Qb6 15. exd5 Qd6 16. Rfe1 Rg7 17. Bh4 a5 18. Bg3 Ra6 19. Nxf7 Qg6 20. Qe5d6 21. Nxd6+ Rxd6 22. Qxd6 Qxd6 23. Bxd6 Nd7 24. Rac1 Nb6 25. Be5 +-) 15. Ng4 Bg7 16. exd5+-) 12. Nc4 d5 13. exd5 bxc3 14. dxc6 Qxd1 15. cxb7 Qxf1+ 16. Rxf1 Rb8 17. Rd1 (17. Ba4+! Kd8 18. Rd1+ Kc7 19. Rd7#) 17... f6 18. Nd6+ Kd7 19. Nf7+ d5 20. Nxh8 cxb2 21. Ng6 Ba3 22. Bg3 Rxb7 23. Nf4 Ke7 24. Nxd5+ exd5 25. Kf1 Rb6 26. Bc2 Rc6 27. Bg6 Rc1 28. Ke2 Ke6 29. Bd3 a5 30. f4 f5 31. Bf2 g6 32. Bd4 a4 33. g4 h5 34. gxf5+ gxf5 35. Rg1 Bd6 36. Rg6+ Ke7 37. Bxb2 Rh1 38. Rg7+ Ke6 39. Rg6+ Ke7 40. Bf6+ Kf7 41. Bxf5 Rxh2+ 42. Kf3 Rxa2 43. Be5 Ra3+ 44. Ke2 Bxe5 45. fxe5 d4 46. e6+ Kf8 47. Rf6+ Ke8 48. Bd3 Ke7 49. Rh6 h4 50. Bc4 Re3+  51.Kf2 Kd6 52. Rh5 Rc3 53. Rd5+ Kxe6 54. Rxd4+ Ke5 55. Rxh4 a3 56. Ke1 Rc2 1/2-1/2

A quick sum up about the move order:
  1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nf3 e6 5. Bc4 a6 6. Nxc3 b5 7. Bb3 Bb7 8.0-0! (8.Qe2 Nge7!? Langrock) d6 (8...b4 9.Nd5!) 9.Qe2 Nbd7 10.Bf4! Ngf6 (10...Be7 11.Rfd1) 11.Rad1 with compensation

Klick wrote on 07/27/07 at 06:44:17:
But without possible with the precious help of Mnb

Quote:
I don't want to Kill black!  
I wonder what SevenSpheres who started this thread thinks: Quote:

    Sevenspheres is missing ,not connected since 27 may 2007. I hope he'll come back ! Uberdeker and others too.

MNb wrote on 07/26/07 at 01:32:04:


Cool !

Thaks too it's always a pleasure too exchange idea, especially about the Morra 
MNb wrote on 07/25/07 at 15:53:30:

that true i've spent a lot of time last night

Quote:

Probably 17.Qd2 is little better for white

Quote:
The problem, same conclusion than you


Quote:
The problem is here 18...f5!? that why i 've a lot of time last night, I've tried  17.Rc1 too ( instead of 17.e6 ) maybe enough for a draw 

Now i  try 13.a5 Qc7 14.Na4 Nf6 15.Nb6 but before i've to sleep!  lol