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Re: 1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-e6 3.d4-cxd 4.Nxd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-Bb4
Reply #6 - 10/16/06 at 10:13:02
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I believe that this Line at Grandmasterlevel is suspect, but the Level of my Pupil is much lower... about 1700 Elo.
With this Line i think its really possible to play for a win against same Level. Not everyone knows much about Theory.
I hope he can improve his tactical skills with this line. Most Player in this level play 6.Bd3 or like this. And he can study
how to handle with unbalanced Material ( Rook against Bishop and Pawn). Thats the only reason we start to study this Line.

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The main problem is that White just need to know one or two short little lines and they can already achieve a nice position against the Pin Variation. Besides that early Qg4 variation that you've mentioned earlier, there's also the very good line 6.e5 Nd5 7.Bd2 Nxc3 8.bxc3 followed by ideas like Qg4, h4-h5, Bd3, etc... You said that most people play 6.Bd3 at your pupil's level, but the problem is if your pupil happens to face against someone who knows 6.e5 (which is not much to learn to begin with), then he's already half busted. If his/her opponent then goes on to play that line that I had mentioned just now, which is recommended in popular books like NCO and Beating the Sicilian series just to name two, then white ends up with a comfortable advantage and denying your pupil from any exchange sacs too.

To me, that's just too risky. It's like hoping that your opponent does not know the line, which isn't that difficult to memorize to begin with.

If you want your pupil to try this opening nevertheless, then you can always tell him to do so in training games or on the internet, where the result does not matter. But in serious play, I really don't recommend it. The risk is just too high. If you want your pupil to experience material imbalances, then there's always something like the Dragon, where the Rxc3 exchange sac is a common theme and the Dragon is defintiely more playable than the Pin.
  
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Re: 1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-e6 3.d4-cxd 4.Nxd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-Bb4
Reply #5 - 10/16/06 at 09:01:53
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I have played it in blitz, but wouldnt recommend it for an ELO 1800. Usually they are good enough to know the theory up to Qg4 which is enough.
  

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Re: 1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-e6 3.d4-cxd 4.Nxd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-Bb4
Reply #4 - 10/16/06 at 08:43:45
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Hello,

I believe that this Line at Grandmasterlevel is suspect, but the Level of my Pupil is much lower... about 1700 Elo.
With this Line i think its really possible to play for a win against same Level. Not everyone knows much about Theory.
I hope he can improve his tactical skills with this line. Most Player in this level play 6.Bd3 or like this. And he can study
how to handle with unbalanced Material ( Rook against Bishop and Pawn). Thats the only reason we start to study this Line.

regards

  
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Re: 1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-e6 3.d4-cxd 4.Nxd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-Bb4
Reply #3 - 10/15/06 at 21:09:53
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Generally speaking, 5. ...Bb4 is premature. I played this when I was just getting into chess. And it does have something of a "beginner's feel" to it. Too simplistic an approach for the complex Sicilian. Black must prevent the advance of White's e-pawn before putting pressure on it, as in the lines 1. 4. ...Ktc6 ; 5. Ktc3 Qc7 ; 6. Be3 a6 ; 7. Be2 Ktf6 ; 8. 0-0 Bb4 and 4. ...a6 ; 5. Ktc3 Qc7 ; 6. Be2 Ktf6 ; 7. 0-0 Bb4
  
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Re: 1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-e6 3.d4-cxd 4.Nxd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-Bb4
Reply #2 - 10/15/06 at 20:00:03
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Hi. I personally don't recommend this Pin Variation of the Sicilian because the risk is just too big and the reward is just too little. White's advantage in this line is undeniable and the lines aren't that difficult and long to memorize either. Sacrificing an exchange and ending up in a position that still favours white is nothing but suicide. There are much better Sicilian setups to choose from that gives you plenty of counterattacking chances than this Pin Variation.
  
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Re: 1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-e6 3.d4-cxd 4.Nxd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-Bb4
Reply #1 - 10/15/06 at 08:14:17
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This sacrifice was created by Mike Basman back in the 1970s ! The problem is that White has a good attack - see Experts v  The Sicilian for the details.

You may do well as White players need to be prepared !

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1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-e6 3.d4-cxd 4.Nxd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-Bb4!?
10/14/06 at 23:44:49
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Hello,

i hope i didnt overlooked another Thread to this Moveorder. I have tow Questions about this Line.
1. Is this Line good enough for a 1800 rated Player to try to win a game in a sharp Line.
2. How much can u learn about Compensation and active Counterplay here? Especially in this exchange-Sac-Line?
(1.e4 c5 2.Pf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Pxd4 Pf6 5.Pc3 Lb4 6.e5 Pd5 7.Dg4 0-0 8.Lh6 g6 9.Lxf8 Dxf8)

Thx for informative Answers !

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P.S. *forgot to ask for the Name of this Variation
  
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