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Reply #37 - 12/21/18 at 17:44:44
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I haven't had a look in your sources yet (don't have Wells, but Greet, Aagaard and Bologan and think I have Emms). But I also know there is a DVD by Tiviakov on the QID. It might have some coverage perhaps.
  
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Reply #36 - 12/21/18 at 09:34:08
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It isn't very mainstream at all, hence why I couldn't find much coverage in the books and DVDs I already do have  Smiley
  
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Reply #35 - 12/21/18 at 08:16:33
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Wells has an awful lot of general strategic level discussion in it. I’m not sure about that specific line - I don’t think that precise setup is very mainstream?
  
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Reply #34 - 12/19/18 at 00:44:40
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I've just had a game in the line 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 g3 Bb4 6 Bg2 0-0 7 0-0 Bxc3+ 8 bc3 d6, and was wondering where I could find a general strategic discussion of this line/structure. Neither Aagaard nor Bologan discuss this line as far as I can tell, while the new Solozhenkin book gives recommendations for Black, but without much general guidance. Is there any such material in, e.g. Wells, Emms or Greet?
  
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Reply #33 - 12/19/18 at 00:09:40
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ReneDescartes wrote on 06/02/17 at 11:31:19:
Yeah, I'm looking for modern material on the normal (not gambit) main lines of the g3 Queen's Indian, and I can't find anything.


It looks like there's finally an answer to this search, as Chetverik's book on the g3 Queen's Indian has been translated into English (it was published in Russian first). I haven't seen the book, but judging from the description it's a big, "complete" type book.

http://www.elkandruby.com (Search for "Queen's Indian")

https://forwardchess.com/product/the-queen%27s-indian-defense:-main-line4.g3-sys...

http://chessm.ru/catalog/show/9367
  

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Reply #32 - 06/02/17 at 11:31:19
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Yeah, I'm looking for modern material on the normal (not gambit) main lines of the g3 Queen's Indian, and I can't find anything. I'm playing the Petrosian System now (using Chess Stars' excellent book as well as the Gurevich), and while I like the classical structures that result, I definitely feel the loss of the tempo spent on a3. I think g3 would be a good weapon to know.

If there is nothing new then I suppose I will work with the wonderful old Batsford Geller book and update it with Megabase 2017. The Geller is one of my top ten favorite opening books--it's the only large standard tree-format opening work I can think of that explains almost every variation with a positional comment rather than just an absolute or relative evaluation; but it's very old.
  
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Reply #31 - 03/02/14 at 13:12:10
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The only repertoire with g3 against QID is Kaufman. If that's all you are interested in though I wouldn't buy the book - its rather sketchy in places and if you already have experience with g3 QID you would do much better just referring to a combination of chesspub and NIC yearbooks. If you don't have experience with the g3 QID then Oleynikov's Chessbase cd and the old Yrjola book are useful.
  
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Reply #30 - 02/19/14 at 13:46:53
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No idea really. Most of the QID books I can think of are too old to even mention the idea Sad

Greet's black QID repetoire book is new enough to include it although he goes 5.. Bb4+ instead. Thorough enough to slightly put me off that line too actually but I doubt its worth it for just that.

I guess the ideal book would cover this, along with maybe the d5 pawn sac vs Bb7 and one or two of the hi tech ways that Topalov used to produce those incredibly brutal 19th century style wins vs various people in the QID.

With some care it should likely be quite managable size wise too.
  
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Reply #29 - 02/19/14 at 13:02:10
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Actually, had similar thoughts to those just mentioned.
Was wondering about how to fill in the gaps there, to make a full anti-QI repertoire.
Best text to support this, anyone?
  
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Reply #28 - 02/19/14 at 12:58:59
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Yeah, it'd be nice if it were a complete repertoire in the Queen's Indian, or at least complete vs. 4...Ba6.  Opening books are getting so specialized these days, it's crazy.  Over-the-board players don't need that much theory (in my opinion) as they can't remember or learn it all anyway, and correspondence players are likely to figure a lot of the details out with databases and engines.  OTB players can do that ahead of time as well too, obviously.

I remember John Nunn saying (15 years ago?) that there was no more need for the "complete" opening manuals, now that chess databases are widely available.  I mostly agree with him, however the "complete" works just keep getting bigger and bigger and more and more specialized...
  
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Reply #27 - 02/19/14 at 11:35:21
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Definitely. Its the sort of thing where it'd be nice to see how it all works.

You'd have thought something claiming to be a repetoire book would have covered blacks fifth moves options as well mind - they certainly have the space for doing this - because they're not at all trivial.

Actually I doubt if many moderately knowledgable people at club level would go c5 anymore. So many horrible fast black losses!
  
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Reply #26 - 02/18/14 at 19:27:36
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Interesting book  Wink
  
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Reply #25 - 02/16/14 at 12:08:57
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a new book on the queen's indian for white, you don't see that too often
it's about the 4.g3 Ba6 5.Qc2 c5 6.d5 line

A Cutting-Edge Gambit against the Queen’s Indian
Hit the Nimzowitsch Variation with 6.d5!
http://www.newinchess.com/A_Cutting_Edge_Gambit_against_the_Queen_s_Indian-p-993...
  
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Reply #24 - 03/19/07 at 00:05:16
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I've been looking at this Qc2 line further. Oleinikov in his CD recommends 5...c5 6.Bg2 Nc6! and that does seem OK for Black. White must instead play 6.d5. Now if 6...exd5 7.cxd5 rather than go on a pawn grab with 7...Bb7, where White seems clearly better, 7...g6 was suggested by John Emms. In Gozzoli-Brener (Brno 2006) and Prusikin-Istratescu (Switzerland 2006) games play went 8.Nc3 Bg7 9.Bg2 0-0 10.0-0 d6 and Black's position looks very solid. Can White play 9.e4 instead? 9...Bxf1 10.Kxf1 d6 11.Kg2 and White seems better.

5...Bb7 has been getting a hammering. I did a database search on 2006/07 games between 2300+ players, and White had scored 82% over 22 games with an ELO performance of +249. The only White loss was caused by a blunder.
  
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Reply #23 - 03/17/07 at 23:04:45
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Paddy wrote on 10/31/06 at 18:36:21:
Wells's book is excellent IMHO but has already been overtaken by events. Two examples: a line that has been mainstream for a quarter of a century (see Wells page 58) has been put under a lot of pressure by this game:

[Event "Corus A"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"]
[Date "2006.01.25"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Topalov, V."]
[Black "Aronian, L."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2801"]
[BlackElo "2752"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2006.01.14"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Bg2 c6 8. Bc3
d5 9. Ne5 Nfd7 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. Nd2 O-O 12. O-O Nf6 13. e4 b5 14. exd5 exd5
15. Re1 Rb8 16. c5 Bc8 17. Nf3 Ne4 18. Rxe4!? dxe4 19. Ne5 Qd5 20. Qe1 Bf5 21. g4
Bg6 22. f3 b4 23. fxe4 Qe6 24. Bb2 Bf6 25. Nxc6 Qxc6 26. e5 Qa6 27. exf6 Rfe8
28. Qf1 Qe2 29. Qf2!? Qxg4 30. h3 Qg5 31. Bc1 Qh5 32. Bf4 Rbd8 33. c6 Be4 34. c7
Rc8 35. Re1 Qg6 36. Rxe4 Rxe4 37. d5 Rce8 38. d6 Re1+ 39. Kh2 Qf5 40. Qg3 g6
41. Qg5 Qxg5 42. Bxg5 Rd1 43. Bc6 Re2+ 44. Kg3 1-0

The line has hardly been seen since, although Ivan Sokolov got away with it as Black in a later game against Banikas.

The other example, which instantly made ALL Paddy1 books completely out of date:

[Event "Sparkassen Chess Meeting"]
[Site "Dormund GER"]
[Date "2006.08.06"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2729"]
[BlackElo "2761"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2006.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2!? Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5! exd5 8. cxd5
Bxd5 9. Nc3 Bc6 10. e4 Be7 11. Bf4 O-O 12. O-O-O Na6 13. Qe2 Nb4 14. a3 Qc8 15.
Kb1 a5 16. Ne5 Re8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 g6 19. Bg3 Re6 20. f4 d6 21. Nxc6 Nxc6
22. Nb5 Ne8 23. e5 dxe5 24. Bd5 a4 25. fxe5 Ng7 26. Qf3 Rb8 27. Nd6 Bxd6 28.
exd6 Nd4 29. Rxd4 Rxe1+ 30. Bxe1 cxd4 31. Qxf7+ Kh8 32. d7 Qc5 33. Bb4 1-0

Since this game, 5 Qc2 (dismissed in all sources as harmless) has really taken off, with many recent games.



Wells suggest 5...c5! (his ! not mine) against the latter, but it can and does often transpose. I see John Emms suggests that 5...Bb7 6.Bg2 c5 7.d5 exd5 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Be7 10.Rd1 Qc8 is best.

As for the Toppy game, apart from the fact that Wells clearly prefers 12...Rc8 (as I do), I have had a good look at 12...Nf6, and despite Black having had a bad time of this line lately, I'm not convinced that it is due to 12...Nf6 being bad.

In any case, over at chessgames.com they are rewriting theory in this line in Yury Shulman vs Rest of the World, after the move 12...f5.
  
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