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Reply #37 - 12/21/18 at 17:44:44
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I haven't had a look in your sources yet (don't have Wells, but Greet, Aagaard and Bologan and think I have Emms). But I also know there is a DVD by Tiviakov on the QID. It might have some coverage perhaps.
  
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Reply #36 - 12/21/18 at 09:34:08
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It isn't very mainstream at all, hence why I couldn't find much coverage in the books and DVDs I already do have  Smiley
  
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Reply #35 - 12/21/18 at 08:16:33
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Wells has an awful lot of general strategic level discussion in it. I’m not sure about that specific line - I don’t think that precise setup is very mainstream?
  
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Reply #34 - 12/19/18 at 00:44:40
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I've just had a game in the line 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 b6 4 Nc3 Bb7 5 g3 Bb4 6 Bg2 0-0 7 0-0 Bxc3+ 8 bc3 d6, and was wondering where I could find a general strategic discussion of this line/structure. Neither Aagaard nor Bologan discuss this line as far as I can tell, while the new Solozhenkin book gives recommendations for Black, but without much general guidance. Is there any such material in, e.g. Wells, Emms or Greet?
  
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Reply #33 - 12/19/18 at 00:09:40
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ReneDescartes wrote on 06/02/17 at 11:31:19:
Yeah, I'm looking for modern material on the normal (not gambit) main lines of the g3 Queen's Indian, and I can't find anything.


It looks like there's finally an answer to this search, as Chetverik's book on the g3 Queen's Indian has been translated into English (it was published in Russian first). I haven't seen the book, but judging from the description it's a big, "complete" type book.

http://www.elkandruby.com (Search for "Queen's Indian")

https://forwardchess.com/product/the-queen%27s-indian-defense:-main-line4.g3-sys...

http://chessm.ru/catalog/show/9367
  

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Reply #32 - 06/02/17 at 11:31:19
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Yeah, I'm looking for modern material on the normal (not gambit) main lines of the g3 Queen's Indian, and I can't find anything. I'm playing the Petrosian System now (using Chess Stars' excellent book as well as the Gurevich), and while I like the classical structures that result, I definitely feel the loss of the tempo spent on a3. I think g3 would be a good weapon to know.

If there is nothing new then I suppose I will work with the wonderful old Batsford Geller book and update it with Megabase 2017. The Geller is one of my top ten favorite opening books--it's the only large standard tree-format opening work I can think of that explains almost every variation with a positional comment rather than just an absolute or relative evaluation; but it's very old.
  
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Reply #31 - 03/02/14 at 13:12:10
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The only repertoire with g3 against QID is Kaufman. If that's all you are interested in though I wouldn't buy the book - its rather sketchy in places and if you already have experience with g3 QID you would do much better just referring to a combination of chesspub and NIC yearbooks. If you don't have experience with the g3 QID then Oleynikov's Chessbase cd and the old Yrjola book are useful.
  
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Reply #30 - 02/19/14 at 13:46:53
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No idea really. Most of the QID books I can think of are too old to even mention the idea Sad

Greet's black QID repetoire book is new enough to include it although he goes 5.. Bb4+ instead. Thorough enough to slightly put me off that line too actually but I doubt its worth it for just that.

I guess the ideal book would cover this, along with maybe the d5 pawn sac vs Bb7 and one or two of the hi tech ways that Topalov used to produce those incredibly brutal 19th century style wins vs various people in the QID.

With some care it should likely be quite managable size wise too.
  
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Reply #29 - 02/19/14 at 13:02:10
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Actually, had similar thoughts to those just mentioned.
Was wondering about how to fill in the gaps there, to make a full anti-QI repertoire.
Best text to support this, anyone?
  
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Reply #28 - 02/19/14 at 12:58:59
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Yeah, it'd be nice if it were a complete repertoire in the Queen's Indian, or at least complete vs. 4...Ba6.  Opening books are getting so specialized these days, it's crazy.  Over-the-board players don't need that much theory (in my opinion) as they can't remember or learn it all anyway, and correspondence players are likely to figure a lot of the details out with databases and engines.  OTB players can do that ahead of time as well too, obviously.

I remember John Nunn saying (15 years ago?) that there was no more need for the "complete" opening manuals, now that chess databases are widely available.  I mostly agree with him, however the "complete" works just keep getting bigger and bigger and more and more specialized...
  
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Reply #27 - 02/19/14 at 11:35:21
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Definitely. Its the sort of thing where it'd be nice to see how it all works.

You'd have thought something claiming to be a repetoire book would have covered blacks fifth moves options as well mind - they certainly have the space for doing this - because they're not at all trivial.

Actually I doubt if many moderately knowledgable people at club level would go c5 anymore. So many horrible fast black losses!
  
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Reply #26 - 02/18/14 at 19:27:36
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Interesting book  Wink
  
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Reply #25 - 02/16/14 at 12:08:57
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a new book on the queen's indian for white, you don't see that too often
it's about the 4.g3 Ba6 5.Qc2 c5 6.d5 line

A Cutting-Edge Gambit against the Queen’s Indian
Hit the Nimzowitsch Variation with 6.d5!
http://www.newinchess.com/A_Cutting_Edge_Gambit_against_the_Queen_s_Indian-p-993...
  
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Reply #24 - 03/19/07 at 00:05:16
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I've been looking at this Qc2 line further. Oleinikov in his CD recommends 5...c5 6.Bg2 Nc6! and that does seem OK for Black. White must instead play 6.d5. Now if 6...exd5 7.cxd5 rather than go on a pawn grab with 7...Bb7, where White seems clearly better, 7...g6 was suggested by John Emms. In Gozzoli-Brener (Brno 2006) and Prusikin-Istratescu (Switzerland 2006) games play went 8.Nc3 Bg7 9.Bg2 0-0 10.0-0 d6 and Black's position looks very solid. Can White play 9.e4 instead? 9...Bxf1 10.Kxf1 d6 11.Kg2 and White seems better.

5...Bb7 has been getting a hammering. I did a database search on 2006/07 games between 2300+ players, and White had scored 82% over 22 games with an ELO performance of +249. The only White loss was caused by a blunder.
  
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Reply #23 - 03/17/07 at 23:04:45
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Paddy wrote on 10/31/06 at 18:36:21:
Wells's book is excellent IMHO but has already been overtaken by events. Two examples: a line that has been mainstream for a quarter of a century (see Wells page 58) has been put under a lot of pressure by this game:

[Event "Corus A"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"]
[Date "2006.01.25"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Topalov, V."]
[Black "Aronian, L."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2801"]
[BlackElo "2752"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2006.01.14"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Bg2 c6 8. Bc3
d5 9. Ne5 Nfd7 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. Nd2 O-O 12. O-O Nf6 13. e4 b5 14. exd5 exd5
15. Re1 Rb8 16. c5 Bc8 17. Nf3 Ne4 18. Rxe4!? dxe4 19. Ne5 Qd5 20. Qe1 Bf5 21. g4
Bg6 22. f3 b4 23. fxe4 Qe6 24. Bb2 Bf6 25. Nxc6 Qxc6 26. e5 Qa6 27. exf6 Rfe8
28. Qf1 Qe2 29. Qf2!? Qxg4 30. h3 Qg5 31. Bc1 Qh5 32. Bf4 Rbd8 33. c6 Be4 34. c7
Rc8 35. Re1 Qg6 36. Rxe4 Rxe4 37. d5 Rce8 38. d6 Re1+ 39. Kh2 Qf5 40. Qg3 g6
41. Qg5 Qxg5 42. Bxg5 Rd1 43. Bc6 Re2+ 44. Kg3 1-0

The line has hardly been seen since, although Ivan Sokolov got away with it as Black in a later game against Banikas.

The other example, which instantly made ALL Paddy1 books completely out of date:

[Event "Sparkassen Chess Meeting"]
[Site "Dormund GER"]
[Date "2006.08.06"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2729"]
[BlackElo "2761"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2006.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2!? Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5! exd5 8. cxd5
Bxd5 9. Nc3 Bc6 10. e4 Be7 11. Bf4 O-O 12. O-O-O Na6 13. Qe2 Nb4 14. a3 Qc8 15.
Kb1 a5 16. Ne5 Re8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 g6 19. Bg3 Re6 20. f4 d6 21. Nxc6 Nxc6
22. Nb5 Ne8 23. e5 dxe5 24. Bd5 a4 25. fxe5 Ng7 26. Qf3 Rb8 27. Nd6 Bxd6 28.
exd6 Nd4 29. Rxd4 Rxe1+ 30. Bxe1 cxd4 31. Qxf7+ Kh8 32. d7 Qc5 33. Bb4 1-0

Since this game, 5 Qc2 (dismissed in all sources as harmless) has really taken off, with many recent games.



Wells suggest 5...c5! (his ! not mine) against the latter, but it can and does often transpose. I see John Emms suggests that 5...Bb7 6.Bg2 c5 7.d5 exd5 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Be7 10.Rd1 Qc8 is best.

As for the Toppy game, apart from the fact that Wells clearly prefers 12...Rc8 (as I do), I have had a good look at 12...Nf6, and despite Black having had a bad time of this line lately, I'm not convinced that it is due to 12...Nf6 being bad.

In any case, over at chessgames.com they are rewriting theory in this line in Yury Shulman vs Rest of the World, after the move 12...f5.
  
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Re: Queen's Indian Books
Reply #22 - 03/11/07 at 05:36:39
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I know it's really dated, but I still like Mikhail Gurevich's Queen's Indian Defense: Kasparov System for White.  Wells' book is deservedly preferred as a general guide.
  
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Reply #21 - 03/03/07 at 07:47:50
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Latest CBM 116 contains survey by Evgeny Postny on 5. Qc2 pawn sac. But even it is a little dated, there's no 9. Qb3 for example, still i have a feeling that this 5. Qc2 fad is temporary... in many lines Black can just give up the d pawn for equality.
  
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Reply #20 - 01/31/07 at 22:26:34
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Paddy wrote on 01/23/07 at 21:40:00:
Justinhorton wrote on 01/19/07 at 14:19:00:
[quote author=Paddy link=1162270852/0#9 date=1162319781]
The other example, which instantly made ALL Paddy2 books completely out of date:

[Event "Sparkassen Chess Meeting"]
[Site "Dormund GER"]
[Date "2006.08.06"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2729"]
[BlackElo "2761"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2006.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2!? Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5! exd5 8. cxd5
Bxd5 9. Nc3 Bc6 10. e4 Be7 11. Bf4 O-O 12. O-O-O Na6 13. Qe2 Nb4 14. a3 Qc8 15.
Kb1 a5 16. Ne5 Re8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 g6 19. Bg3 Re6 20. f4 d6 21. Nxc6 Nxc6
22. Nb5 Ne8 23. e5 dxe5 24. Bd5 a4 25. fxe5 Ng7 26. Qf3 Rb8 27. Nd6 Bxd6 28.
exd6 Nd4 29. Rxd4 Rxe1+ 30. Bxe1 cxd4 31. Qxf7+ Kh8 32. d7 Qc5 33. Bb4 1-0

Since this game, 5 Qc2 (dismissed in all sources as harmless) has really taken off, with many recent games.


This variation cropped up yesterday at Wijk Aan Zee, with Carlsen getting a short draw off Aronian.



The arms race  in this line continues; since Aronian-Carlsen, White has won a couple of games with a cute idea that John Emms has already spotted and analysed here in Chess Publishing (Kazhgaleyev-Al Sayed, Doha 2006):

[Event "Gibtelecom Masters"]
[Site "Gibraltar"]
[Date "2007.01.30"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Ris, Robert"]
[Black "Spraggett, Kevin"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2403"]
[BlackElo "2633"]
[PlyCount "39"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5 exd5 8. cxd5
Nxd5 9. Qb3 Nc7 10. Ne5 d5 11. Nc3 Bd6 12. Nxf7 Kxf7 13. Nxd5 Kf8 14. Bg5 Qd7
15. O-O-O Nc6 16. Qf3+ Ke8 17. Qe4+ Ne6 18. Nc7+ Qxc7 19. Qxe6+ Be7 20. Bxc6+
1-0

[Event "ch-EST Playoff"]
[Site "Tallinn EST"]
[Date "2007.01.27"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Kanep, M."]
[Black "Kulaots, K."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2504"]
[BlackElo "2525"]
[PlyCount "33"]
[EventDate "2007.01.27"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]
[EventRounds "5"]
[EventCountry "EST"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2007.01.29"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5 exd5 8. cxd5
Nxd5 9. Qb3 Nf6 10. Ne5 d5 11. Nc3 Nc6 12. Nxc6 Bxc6 13. Bg5 c4 14. Qc2 Bb4 15.
O-O-O Bxc3 16. Qxc3 Ne4 17. Qe5+ 1-0
  
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Reply #19 - 01/25/07 at 09:35:48
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Gerry

Thanks for that , I am obliged

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Reply #18 - 01/25/07 at 02:30:11
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Hello Andrew:

(after 11...0-0 12. 0-0)
Wells
Bologan-Kramnik, Dortmund 2004

Emms
Timman-Anand, Wijk aan Zee 2001
Rebel Tiger-Fritz 6a, Cadaques 2000

Take care,

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Dear All,

Can anyone let me know what complete games Wells and Emms have used in their guides to the Queens Indian in the variation:

4 g3 Ba6 5 b3 Bb4 6 bd2 Be7 7 Bg2 c6 8 Bc3 d5 9 Ne5 nfd7 10 Nxd7 nxd7 11 Nd2

Incidentally, the more Topalov plays this for White, the more I think Kramnik was wise to move away from playing this as Black . Anyone see a good line for Black here?

Andrew

  
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Reply #17 - 01/24/07 at 09:46:08
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Dear All,

Can anyone let me know what complete games Wells and Emms have used in their guides to the Queens Indian in the variation:

4 g3 Ba6 5 b3 Bb4 6 bd2 Be7 7 Bg2 c6 8 Bc3 d5 9 Ne5 nfd7 10 Nxd7 nxd7 11 Nd2

Incidentally, the more Topalov plays this for White, the more I think Kramnik was wise to move away from playing this as Black . Anyone see a good line for Black here?

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Justinhorton wrote on 01/19/07 at 14:19:00:
Paddy wrote on 10/31/06 at 18:36:21:
The other example, which instantly made ALL Justinhorton5 books completely out of date:

[Event "Sparkassen Chess Meeting"]
[Site "Dormund GER"]
[Date "2006.08.06"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2729"]
[BlackElo "2761"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2006.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2!? Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5! exd5 8. cxd5
Bxd5 9. Nc3 Bc6 10. e4 Be7 11. Bf4 O-O 12. O-O-O Na6 13. Qe2 Nb4 14. a3 Qc8 15.
Kb1 a5 16. Ne5 Re8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 g6 19. Bg3 Re6 20. f4 d6 21. Nxc6 Nxc6
22. Nb5 Ne8 23. e5 dxe5 24. Bd5 a4 25. fxe5 Ng7 26. Qf3 Rb8 27. Nd6 Bxd6 28.
exd6 Nd4 29. Rxd4 Rxe1+ 30. Bxe1 cxd4 31. Qxf7+ Kh8 32. d7 Qc5 33. Bb4 1-0

Since this game, 5 Qc2 (dismissed in all sources as harmless) has really taken off, with many recent games.


This variation cropped up yesterday at Wijk Aan Zee, with Carlsen getting a short draw off Aronian.

Of course 5...Bb4 is perfectly viable.

Also, unless my eyes misled me (which is entirely possible) Wells gives the line 5...c5 6.Bg2 Nc6. Has that come across problems, then? Chessbase Online Database doesn't seem to think so (unless ditto).


Yes, although the Qc2 line is still scoring well for White, there are definite signs that Black is figuring out ways to neutralise it. Against Aronian, Carlsen used the same idea as in this recent game:

[Event "1st ACP World Rapid Cup"]
[Site "Odessa UKR"]
[Date "2007.01.08"]
[Round "3.4"]
[White "Gelfand, B."]
[Black "Leko, P."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2733"]
[BlackElo "2749"]
[PlyCount "131"]
[EventDate "2007.01.05"]
[EventRounds "4"]
[EventCountry "UKR"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5 exd5 8. cxd5
Nxd5 9. O-O Be7 10. Rd1 Qc8 11. Qf5 Nf6 12. Nc3 Nc6 13. Bg5 d5 14. Nh4 Nd4 15.
Qxc8+ Rxc8 16. e3 Ne6 17. Bxf6 Bxf6 18. Nf5 Rd8 19. Nxd5 Bxd5 20. Bxd5 O-O 21.
Rab1 g6 22. Bxe6 Rxd1+ 23. Rxd1 fxe6 24. Nd6 Rd8 25. Rd2 Bxb2 26. Nc4 Rxd2 27.
Nxd2 b5 28. Kf1 c4 29. Ke2 Kf7 30. Ne4 Ke7 31. g4 a5 32. Kd2 b4 33. Kc2 Bg7 34.
Nd2 c3 35. Nb3 Be5 36. Nxa5 Bxh2 37. Nc6+ Kd6 38. Nxb4 Bg1 39. Nd3 h5 40. Kxc3
h4 41. Nf4 Bxf2 42. Kd3 Bg3 43. Ke4 Be1 44. Nxg6 h3 45. Kf3 h2 46. Kg2 Bg3 47.
Nf4 Ke7 48. a4 e5 49. Ne2 Bf2 50. e4 Kf6 51. Kxh2 Kg5 52. Kh3 Bb6 53. Nc3 Ba5
54. Nd5 Be1 55. Nb6 Kf4 56. Nc4 Kxe4 57. a5 Kd5 58. a6 Bf2 59. g5 Ke6 60. Kg4
Bc5 61. Nd2 Be3 62. Ne4 Bd4 63. g6 Be3 64. Kh5 Ke7 65. Nd6 Kf6 66. g7 1-0

Aronian-Carlsen is briefly commented at:

http://www.e3e5.com/eng/

Not so sure about 5...Bb4+ though. There is lots of evidence that Black is OK after 6 Nbd2 (often reached by transposition) but I think Black still has something to prove against 6 Bd2.

Finally, the hot-shots are answering 5...c5 with 6 d5 (of course!).

I hope this quick summary is of interest.
  
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Re: Queen's Indian Books
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Paddy wrote on 10/31/06 at 18:36:21:
The other example, which instantly made ALL Paddy7 books completely out of date:

[Event "Sparkassen Chess Meeting"]
[Site "Dormund GER"]
[Date "2006.08.06"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2729"]
[BlackElo "2761"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2006.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2!? Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5! exd5 8. cxd5
Bxd5 9. Nc3 Bc6 10. e4 Be7 11. Bf4 O-O 12. O-O-O Na6 13. Qe2 Nb4 14. a3 Qc8 15.
Kb1 a5 16. Ne5 Re8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 g6 19. Bg3 Re6 20. f4 d6 21. Nxc6 Nxc6
22. Nb5 Ne8 23. e5 dxe5 24. Bd5 a4 25. fxe5 Ng7 26. Qf3 Rb8 27. Nd6 Bxd6 28.
exd6 Nd4 29. Rxd4 Rxe1+ 30. Bxe1 cxd4 31. Qxf7+ Kh8 32. d7 Qc5 33. Bb4 1-0

Since this game, 5 Qc2 (dismissed in all sources as harmless) has really taken off, with many recent games.


This variation cropped up yesterday at Wijk Aan Zee, with Carlsen getting a short draw off Aronian.

Of course 5...Bb4 is perfectly viable.

Also, unless my eyes misled me (which is entirely possible) Wells gives the line 5...c5 6.Bg2 Nc6. Has that come across problems, then? Chessbase Online Database doesn't seem to think so (unless ditto).
  
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Aagaard was clearly running scared of your improvements in the QID!
Wells is very readable and pretty good indeed. Should anyone be interested in forming a black repertoire in the QID, then John Emms' Starting Out guide is pretty reasonable too.
  
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IMJohnCox wrote on 10/31/06 at 12:48:09:
Certainly Wells, and certainly not Aagaard (he's written some good books but this isn't one of his best).
I read through it when preparing for a tournament in Oban a couple of years ago. I read it on the plane, on the subsequent train journeys and in the hotel before my first game. I decided I had learned enough to give it a pop straightaway if I had the black pieces. So off I went to the tournament hall - to discover I had indeed got the black pieces, against IM Jacob Aagaard.

Fortunately he played 1.e4.

(The Wells book, by the way, is very good indeed, written with the high standareds we expect from that author.)
  
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Reply #12 - 12/08/06 at 15:44:00
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Why not to try the latest "How to play QID' CD from ChessBase? All ideas explained + bonus: what to do if your opponent avoids QID
  
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Hello Everyone:

Thanks for the help on the books and related ideas.

What a great forum.

Take care,

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Reply #10 - 10/31/06 at 19:05:39
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I am planning to play Nimzo/QID as black in my next CC tournament. I have the Yrjölä/Tella and the Wells books. Also the Lalic book. I haven't read these books carefully. I read most of Wells' book this summer. I liked it much. Get that, read it and see for yourself if you need anything more.

QID is played much at top level but it's not a super sharp opening where novelties completely change the verdict of variations. Yes, lines like Qc2 can become popular, but that shouldn't put anyone off playing this opening.
  

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Gerry1970 wrote on 10/31/06 at 05:00:51:
Hello All:

I am looking at Gerry19709 books by Wells (Chess Explained), Emms (Starting Out), Yrjola and Tella, and Aagaard (don't know if I have enough "a"s in there).

Gerry


In his DVD Aagaard argues that you can play the QID based mainly on understanding key ideas - I'm not so sure. The problems with the QID at the moment is that its current popularity at top level means that the theory is in constant state of flux.

Wells's book is excellent IMHO but has already been overtaken by events. Two examples: a line that has been mainstream for a quarter of a century (see Wells page 58) has been put under a lot of pressure by this game:

[Event "Corus A"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"]
[Date "2006.01.25"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Topalov, V."]
[Black "Aronian, L."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2801"]
[BlackElo "2752"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2006.01.14"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Bg2 c6 8. Bc3
d5 9. Ne5 Nfd7 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. Nd2 O-O 12. O-O Nf6 13. e4 b5 14. exd5 exd5
15. Re1 Rb8 16. c5 Bc8 17. Nf3 Ne4 18. Rxe4!? dxe4 19. Ne5 Qd5 20. Qe1 Bf5 21. g4
Bg6 22. f3 b4 23. fxe4 Qe6 24. Bb2 Bf6 25. Nxc6 Qxc6 26. e5 Qa6 27. exf6 Rfe8
28. Qf1 Qe2 29. Qf2!? Qxg4 30. h3 Qg5 31. Bc1 Qh5 32. Bf4 Rbd8 33. c6 Be4 34. c7
Rc8 35. Re1 Qg6 36. Rxe4 Rxe4 37. d5 Rce8 38. d6 Re1+ 39. Kh2 Qf5 40. Qg3 g6
41. Qg5 Qxg5 42. Bxg5 Rd1 43. Bc6 Re2+ 44. Kg3 1-0

The line has hardly been seen since, although Ivan Sokolov got away with it as Black in a later game against Banikas.

The other example, which instantly made ALL QID books completely out of date:

[Event "Sparkassen Chess Meeting"]
[Site "Dormund GER"]
[Date "2006.08.06"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2729"]
[BlackElo "2761"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2006.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[EventCategory "19"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2!? Bb7 6. Bg2 c5 7. d5! exd5 8. cxd5
Bxd5 9. Nc3 Bc6 10. e4 Be7 11. Bf4 O-O 12. O-O-O Na6 13. Qe2 Nb4 14. a3 Qc8 15.
Kb1 a5 16. Ne5 Re8 17. Rhe1 Bf8 18. g4 g6 19. Bg3 Re6 20. f4 d6 21. Nxc6 Nxc6
22. Nb5 Ne8 23. e5 dxe5 24. Bd5 a4 25. fxe5 Ng7 26. Qf3 Rb8 27. Nd6 Bxd6 28.
exd6 Nd4 29. Rxd4 Rxe1+ 30. Bxe1 cxd4 31. Qxf7+ Kh8 32. d7 Qc5 33. Bb4 1-0

Since this game, 5 Qc2 (dismissed in all sources as harmless) has really taken off, with many recent games.

So it was perhaps not surprising to see Judith Polgar switching to the old 4...Bb7 at the recently concluded Essent tournament.

At a high level the Nimzo / QID combination makes a lot of sense - Polgar's results against  other elite players really improved when she switched to this.

At club level though a Nimzo/Benoni or Nimzo/Bogo combo might suit better.
  
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Gerry1970 wrote on 10/31/06 at 15:28:25:
Hello All:

I forgot to mention I want to learn to play against the Gerry197010! Oops. Don't know if that would change anyone's recommendation.
Gerry


At 1950 you are going to encounter the QID rather infrequently. I wonder whether you need all that literature if you only play the white side.
  
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Bogdan Lalic did a book on the QID a good while back, which I thought was not bad - it was in the format of famous annotated games but had a few interesting suggestions thrown in. If you wanted to get a feel for the opening you could do worse than play through these games.
  
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Still get the Wells book. It is covering the complete opening from a starter's perspective. So you get a good feel of the whole opening and then make an informed choice about the variation to focus on.

I think there is one danger with this book. You may start to like the opening and play it with black as well Grin
  

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Hello All:

Thanks for your help.

I forgot to mention I want to learn to play against the QID! Oops. Don't know if that would change anyone's recommendation.

Take care,

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I have both Wells and Y&T.

I like Wells's book and think it should be your first choice. Not sure about how valuable Y&T will be for you. It is nearly 300 pages of variations (many of them dated) with little prose. There are introductory texts about middlegame themes at the beginning of the chapters, but nothing (AFAIR) that is not covered by Wells.
  
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Certainly Wells, and certainly not Aagaard (he's written some good books but this isn't one of his best).

Of the other two I personally didn't rate Y&T that highly, although clearly it was the most theory of the four. And John Emms' books are invariably hard-working and reliable efforts. I haven't see Emms' book, and I understand your fear about it and Wells' being similar. The truth is though that there isn't a good definitive book on the opening, partly because it's too large a subject and partly because these days publishers tend to assume these won't sell. If I were you I'd give Emms and Y/T the onceover in a shop and see what you think.
  
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Hello All:

I am looking at QID books by Wells (Chess Explained), Emms (Starting Out), Yrjola and Tella, and Aagaard (don't know if I have enough "a"s in there).

I am rated 1950 and thinking of getting 2 books. I would like one book at least to explain the ideas, like Sadler did in the QGD book (I feel clueless in openings when I read some of the stuff on this website - I feel I don't know the basic strategies in so many openings). The other book could be meatier.

Any suggested combinations from owners? Wondering if the Wells and Emms books would be too similar in presentation? If not I would be willing to get 3 books.

Thanks very much,

Gerry
  
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