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Re: 1.c4 xx 2.Nc3  or  1.c4 xx 2.g3 ?
Reply #4 - 11/16/06 at 12:47:29
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/15/06 at 11:40:33:
The idea of 2 g3 after …e5 is to take the sting out of ….Bb4 lines, I think. And perhaps also to keep the option of Nbd2 in reversed Sicilian lines. But the downside (or one downside) is 2 g3 Nf6 3 Bg2 c6 4 d4 exd4 5 Qxd4 Na6, a very tough cookie. 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 Nf3 avoids this, of course.

Plus 1.c4 e5 2.g3 d5 is something to take into consideration. I thought that line was rather decent for black.
  

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Re: 1.c4 xx 2.Nc3  or  1.c4 xx 2.g3 ?
Reply #3 - 11/16/06 at 12:19:22
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I'd always thought that Tony's legendary book partly recommended 2 g3 to save space/time! Of course, it's also a pretty tricky m/o and surely another key point is that it avoids the complexities of the Hedgehog.
  
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Re: 1.c4 xx 2.Nc3  or  1.c4 xx 2.g3 ?
Reply #2 - 11/15/06 at 16:40:23
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An early Nc3 may be slightly committal in symmetrical english anti-benoni type lines (and maybe also reversed Maroczy). Davies' Dynamic Reti book is based precisely on avoiding an early Nc3. For example, 1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e6 5. Nb5!? is one interesting line which you can't get when an early Nc3 is already in.
If Black plays 1. c4 c5 2...Nf6, say in the type of position after 1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nc6, if White had played an early Nc3 he might allow ...Bb4 and transposition to nimzo-indian, while other dark-squared stuff like 5...Qb6 or 6...Qb6 and ...Ne5 work better against an early Nc3 too iirc.
But if 1. c4 Nf6, then 2. Nc3 is perfectly good if you are expecting 2... e6 (instead of 2... c5), since you have the option of the Mikenas 3. e4.
  
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Re: 1.c4 xx 2.Nc3  or  1.c4 xx 2.g3 ?
Reply #1 - 11/15/06 at 11:40:33
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The idea of 2 g3 after …e5 is to take the sting out of ….Bb4 lines, I think. And perhaps also to keep the option of Nbd2 in reversed Sicilian lines. But the downside (or one downside) is 2 g3 Nf6 3 Bg2 c6 4 d4 exd4 5 Qxd4 Na6, a very tough cookie. 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 Nf3 avoids this, of course.
  
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1.c4 xx 2.Nc3  or  1.c4 xx 2.g3 ?
11/15/06 at 07:33:03
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1.c4 with 2.g3 etc.. can be a pretty brainless way to play, but it also runs into weird things like 2..h5 which actually isn't that bad. Against 1.c4 with 2.Nc3 such things is nonsense. Sometimes you can choose to develop the knight on another square than c3 when you play 2.g3

With 2.Nc3 Black can get an improved version of the Keres as a pawn-push d5-d4 hits the knight immediately. But 2.Nc3 generally seems to be slightly less committing than 2.g3.

What are your thoughts on the advantage/disadvantage of playing 1.c4 2.Nc3 vs 1.c4 2.g3?
  

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