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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #11 - 12/06/06 at 11:37:04
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Agreed, Stormcrow!  Wink Despite twice of late going 1 e4 against a Sveshnikov-using GM (he went 1...e5 both times Sad ), I'm yet to get in 6 Nde2 otb. Surprisingly, though, if only in blitz, most people seem to reply 6...d6 which surely can't be best?
  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #10 - 12/04/06 at 18:02:59
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I jut analyed 14 Nxb5 with the nelp of Rybka , and it seems that it' not worse than the usual continuations :
The line given by Rybka :
14 Nxb5 Bg7
15 Nc3 e4
16 Be2 Qa5
17 Rb1 N Bxc3
18 bxc3 Qxc3
19 Rb3 Qe5
20 Bc4 O-O
21 f4
With a slight but lasting edge
So this line is probably unjustly underrated
  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #9 - 12/04/06 at 18:00:25
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Shameless plug! Grin

Actually, I was about to post the same recommendation, having read through some of the material in the Sveshnikov chapter of Dangerous Weapons: The Sicilian by Emms and Palliser.  It does look quite interesting: sharp and complicated in some lines, with a sound enough positional basis. Take a look!
  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #8 - 12/04/06 at 12:31:10
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Lines with a piece sacrifice on b5 seem very sensible. Don't forget you could also try Moro's 6 Nde2!? from 'Dangerous Weapons: The Sicilian'.  Wink Play can quickly become rather sharp if Black opts for ...Bc5 and ...Qb6.
  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #7 - 12/04/06 at 09:30:13
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I think the crossing is often on move 14 after
1 e4 c5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 d4 cxd4
4 Nxd4 Nf6
5 Nc3 e5
6 Ndb5 d6
7 Bg5 a6
8 Na3 b5
9 Bxf6 gxf6
10 Nd5 f5
11 Bd3 Be6
12 O-O Bxd5
13 exd5 Ne7
Here , I played the newest variation 14 Rfe1 , but play , although intricated , is desperately balanced :
It's only "little" tactics
Curiously enough , my engines don't like the most fashionable lines
They prefer 14 Nxb5 and , far behind , 14 c4 and , well behind , the others
The analysis was made up to a depth of 20 :experience shows that it always lead to a consistent ( if not always fashionable ) choice
Then , precisely , these 2 lines are in disrepute ; Is it possible that this assessment is wrong and these lines unjustly neglected?
After all , White is a pawn up , and Black must try some tactics to recover it:
following the engines , maybe it may be insufficient
In any case , it will give give a more lively play
  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #6 - 12/03/06 at 20:46:01
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Here is another:

MNb - Regeer, corr NBC H-428, 1998

13.Nbc7+ Kd7 14.c4 Rxc4 15.o-o h5 16.exf5 Nd4 17.Nb6+ Kxc7 18.Nxc4 Bxf5 19.f4 Bg4 20.Qa4 Ne2+ 21.Qa7+ Kd8

The game ended in a draw, but I might have missed a win.
Still further investigations (including the 13.b4 variation) led me to the conclusion, that these piece sac lines are not good enough in corr play.

Concerning Borwell-Olafsson, 16...Qh4 17.Qf7+ Be7 18.g3 Rg8 is equal, Ströker-Chiesa, corr 1986. So was 18.Ne6 Nd8 19.Nb6+ Kc6 20.Nxd8+ Kxb6 21.Rab1+ Kc7 22.Ne6+ Kd7, Thümmler-Berclaz, em ICCF M/A120. Maybe even better is 16...Rg8 idea 17.Qh5 Qg5.
  

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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #5 - 12/03/06 at 10:21:22
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I think there's several unfashionable lines where white sacs on b5 and tries to either play space invaders on the q-side or just keep on attacking a la brave fool  Wink

Though for all I know this kind of idea might be refuted long ago, as I dont keep up with the theory of open sicilians anymore...

Anyway, here's an example from a corr game...

Borwell,A (2275) - Olafsson,D (2255) [B33]
ICCF Jubilee Officials/IM-A, 2001

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 f5 11.Bxb5 axb5 12.Nxb5 Ra4 13.b4 Rxb4 14.Nbc7+ Kd7 15.0-0 Rxe4 16.Qh5 Nd4 17.c3 Ne2+ 18.Kh1 Kc6 19.Rab1 Be6 20.Nxe6 1-0

  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #4 - 12/03/06 at 09:29:35
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Well, the wildest line at the moment that might be interesting for a correspondence player is the positional line with 18 h4, but I think if I was a correspondence player I would try to avoid all lines that could be played well by a computer! Smiley
  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #3 - 12/03/06 at 00:16:54
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For corr play I suspect, that the positional 7.Nd5 offers best chances. Play will be more like the KID: White attacks on the queen's wing and hopes to promote a pawn, Black initiates a kingside attack.
This means, that White has to deviate from transposition like 4...e5 (the Kalasjnikov) and 5...e6 (Sicilian Four Knights).
I also like wild positions, but in corr play the several piece sac lines don't look good enough. I know, that Svesjnikov diehard will yell, that 7.Nd5 is absolutely innocent. But I am not sure and will not be surprised, if within a few years several top players will turn to this move again.
  

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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #2 - 12/02/06 at 21:38:06
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Hi Tony!
I thank you for your advice , but I am a correspondence player : when I play him a Svvechnikov ,  Iknow that my my opponent has Rogozenko on his table , and there is no chance that he make a mistake on the rook move
As far I know , there is in the Svesh' no line where I have a chance of getting a dogfight , as they said in the RAF
As for me I want more Spiel and more fun!
Friendly Yours
Claude Le Page
  
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Re: Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechn
Reply #1 - 12/02/06 at 11:14:54
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What about that 18 f3!? line I looked at in Nataf-Spasov, June 2005 update? If Black doesn't put his rook on the right square he simply gets mated! Shocked
  
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Wanted : a sound wild line for White in Svechnikov
12/01/06 at 22:54:11
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I am a player with a wild style , and at the same time I wand to play only sound liness:
Not as Tal , but rather as Keresss or Bronstein
In Old times , everybody played me a Najdorf , and I was quite well with 6 Bg5
But now everybody plays me a Svechnikov , and I find main lines are too tame
Then I am looking for a line with huge complications , and which does not lead to an advantage for Black
I am looking for complexity , and to my taste there is not enough in the fashionable lines
But I don't want to play a line known as inferior
What can you recmmand to me?
Thanks in advance!
  
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