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Re: QID 4.e3
Reply #3 - 05/23/07 at 02:26:33
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Attacking for W against ...d5 and ...Bd6 is more tricky, at least early on, since Black's often the side there looking for a kingside strike. It shouldn't be forgotten, though, that quite often White can offer to play with an IQP which might not be theoretically dangerous, but could suit the right sort of player over the board. Indeed, quite sharp struggles can spring up as shown by some classic Keres games.


True enough.  Here's a correspondence game (ongoing and a few moves ahead) with me as Black in this line.  White comes off the rails a little early here--I don't like 11.Nh4, which only seems to speed up my kingside advance--but I liked Black's play and thought there were some better opportunities for White, too.

1.d4 Nf6 2.e3 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.c4 Bb7 5.Bd3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.O-O Bd6 8.Nc3 O-O 9.b3 Nbd7 10.Bb2 a6 11.Nh4 g6 12.Nf3 Qe7 13.a4 Ne4 14.Qc2 f5 15.Ne2 g5 16.Nd2 Rae8 17.Rae1 Qf6 18.f4 g4 19.Ng3 Nxg3 20.hxg3 Nb8 21.Kf2 Nc6 22.Bc3 Rf7 23.Rh1 Nb4 24.Bxb4 Bxb4 25.Rh5 Bc8 26.Reh1 c5 27.dxc5 Bxc5 28.Nf1 Rc7 29.Qd2 d4 30.Kg1 dxe3 31.Qe2 Qd4 32.Kh2 Kh8 33.Bxf5 Bxf5 34.Rxf5 Rd7 35.Nxe3 Qxe3 36.Qxg4 Rg7 37.Qf3 Reg8 38.Qxe3 Bxe3 

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Re: QID 4.e3
Reply #2 - 01/09/07 at 18:22:26
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4 e3 is certainly a hard move to categorise! From my own experience, White can often get to attack. Black often either plays ...c5 and an early ...g6 (allowing one of the d5 gambits) or plays a ...d5 and ...Be7 too passively, allowing Ne5 and some kingside pressure. Attacking for W against ...d5 and ...Bd6 is more tricky, at least early on, since Black's often the side there looking for a kingside strike. It shouldn't be forgotten, though, that quite often White can offer to play with an IQP which might not be theoretically dangerous, but could suit the right sort of player over the board. Indeed, quite sharp struggles can spring up as shown by some classic Keres games.
  
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Re: QID 4.e3
Reply #1 - 01/05/07 at 04:15:50
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Don't know the specific answers to your question. Results after 10.Rc1 Qe7 11.cxd5 exd5 12.Ne2 have been quite good for White.

What I do know, is that move order (indeed, there are endless of them) might be more important than one might think at first sight. Black also has the choice of several setups (with or without c5, Bd6 or Be7, ico c5 with Nc6 or Nbd7). Eg it is not always clear, whether x.Nbd2 or x.Nc3 should be preferred.
White should rather be prepared; indifferent play can be punished with Black initiating an attack with ...Ne4 and ...f5.
One should note, that this variation also can arise via the Colle: 1.d4 Nf6 (or even d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 b6) 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 b6 4.Bd3 Bb7 5.0-0 and 6.c4 or 6.b3, 7.Bb2 and 8.c4. This might have the benefit of avoiding ...Bb4+ lines. So I don't know if I agree with Smyslov_Fan, that 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 is inferior to 3.c4.
In fact there is a lot I don't know about this variation, now I come to think about it.  Cheesy
  
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QID 4.e3
12/16/06 at 14:30:12
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I noticed in another thread that Palliser recommends 4.e3 against the QID.  Having played the Black side of this a couple of times in the past (and currently playing against it in a correspondence game), I have found it rather interesting and possible to be creative sooner rather than later, which is good.  But from the Black side of the board, this opening has never really bothered me after 5...d5 and ...Bd6.   

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.e3 Bb7 5.Bd3 d5 6.0-0 Nbd7 7.b3 Bd6 8.Bb2 0-0 9.Nc3 a6 (there are a million roads to Rome, here, and it seems as though most of these moves can be played in endless orders)

If White resolves the tension in the center with cxd5 (anywhere between move 5 and 12), s/he avoids worrying about ...dxc4, but without the tension in the center, Black can  turn to the kingside.

Having said that, I am very interested in the QID from both sides of the board.  Are there approaches to 4.e3 that allow White to be aggressive, play for a win, and avoid the more drawinsh lines associated with the mainline QID?
  
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