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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #18 - 05/06/08 at 16:06:04
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Compare 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bf4 Bg7 4.e3 0-0 5.h3 d6 6.c3 with 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6 4.0-0 Bf5 5.d3 e6 and 6...h6. As far as I know the first sequence is part of the London Opening. The latter is called the New York Defence.
  

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Reply #17 - 05/06/08 at 14:51:00
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MNB, it is not a reversed London as long as White does not play x. d4.
And white does have some viable other options which do not score too badly... 
After all the KIA (A07-A08) is just a variation within the Reti (A04 up till A09)...
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #16 - 05/06/08 at 02:02:17
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[quote author=JEH link=1166690424/0#13 date=1209979155]
These are the sort of holes a KIA needs to patch with other systems. It's not a universal solution to lazyness  ;)
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Same problem if Black wants to play a Dutch Iljin-Zjenevsky. 1.Nf3 e6 and now what? White should either play 2.d4 (or later) or 2.e4, but may well assume that this is regular stuff for Black.
As I am not impressed by White's chances either if Black plays the New York (a reversed London), I usually advise to play the KIA only after 1.e4. Then White has the choice.
  

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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #15 - 05/05/08 at 10:25:55
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I think you sum up the options well, JEH.

Dunnington, yeah -- but after looking at his Reversed Pirc-style suggestion in some detail I concluded it's anodyne indeed. I think which option a player adopts must be guided principally by the highly subjective/personal matter of which other openings they know and find congenial. As someone who plays the Reti and is learning the English I'm tempted myself by 2 c4, but for the latter I don't necessarily want my KN on f3.

In your option (2) maybe a sound but rarer, less theory-intensive anti-Chigorin is an idea -- say 3 Bf4 or 3 g3.

  
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Reply #14 - 05/05/08 at 09:34:01
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It's not a universal solution to lazyness  Wink

Damn i was hoping  Smiley
I think the average chess player uses to much time on opening theory and to little with the endgame
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #13 - 05/05/08 at 09:19:15
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[quote author=nmga link=1166690424/0#12 date=1209977299] Point taken, but I could see no mention in Emms' book of (after 1 Nf3) 1 ...Nc6, which though obviously not critical for the KIA can be seriously annoying for a "system" player if they've got nothing prepared against it ...[/quote]

I've only come across Dunnington's Ultimate KIA that mentions this one in the mass of KIA books. Rather annoying to be on your own at move 2!

Main Options are:

1) 2. e4 and Transpose into a Nimzowistch defence or mainline 1. e4 e5 opening. OK if you are using the KIA as part of an 1. e4 repetoire, which is the best approach.
2) 2. d4 and Transpose into a Chigorin. Decent choice theoretically, but not ideal to learn something like this for rare occasions.
3) 2. c4 and you're in a Reti.

These are outside of the scope of a Starting Out:KIA book somewhat, but are the best options.

4) 2. g3 and keep going with the system. White'll probably end up in a reversed Pirc. This is also true if you use the KIA vs the Alekhine (1. e4 Nf6 2. d3), Petroff (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d3) or as a Lopez replacement (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. g3 or d3). There is also KIA vs Pirc, or a copycat/symettrical approach. All very tame and not ideal, but White is =.

These are the sort of holes a KIA needs to patch with other systems. It's not a universal solution to lazyness  ;)

  

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Reply #12 - 05/05/08 at 08:48:19
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[quote]I think the best effort so far is Emm's Starting Out:KIA, as he gives a balanced view and doesn't overrate White's chances or shove the Fischer games down your throat.[/quote]

Point taken, but I could see no mention in Emms' book of (after 1 Nf3) 1 ...Nc6, which though obviously not critical for the KIA can be seriously annoying for a "system" player if they've got nothing prepared against it ...
  
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Reply #11 - 05/05/08 at 07:28:54
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TomKarlsen wrote on 05/05/08 at 07:20:41:
Anybody knows Nigel Davies kia dvd is it okay ? chesscafe thinks its "okay"
I thinking of taking the KIA up as surprise weapon


The KIA won't be that much of a surprise anymore. If you like learning from DVD's then Nigel's one is decent.

The problem with a lot of KIA material is that it is overhyped by the authour as the ultimate answer to all your opening woes.

Therefore I think the best effort so far is Emm's Starting Out:KIA, as he gives a balanced view and doesn't overrate White's chances or shove the Fischer games down your throat.


  

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Reply #10 - 05/05/08 at 07:20:41
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Anybody knows Nigel Davies kia dvd is it okay ? chesscafe thinks its "okay"
I thinking of taking the KIA up as surprise weapon
  
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Reply #9 - 05/04/08 at 08:51:04
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if black plays a kings indian setup he plays c4,d3,Rb1,b4. And keeps the e-pawn back at e2
  
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Reply #8 - 05/04/08 at 08:36:04
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What does he play against 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 followed by Black copying White for a few more moves, e.g. 4.0-0 0-0 5.d3 d6 6.e4 e5? Black should be close to completely equal if he plays like this, in my opinion.
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #7 - 05/04/08 at 07:42:00
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I know a 2300 guy who always play Nf3,g3,Bg2,0-0 sometimes delaying 0-0. Often he plays d3, e4 or c4 sometimes b3. His results are quiet good. One im norm. As he says " I know my posistion is minimum equal".
  
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Reply #6 - 05/03/08 at 20:55:33
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Tiviakov reminds me of something someone (I'm thinking Jeroen Piket) wrote about Eduardas Rozentalis (another "quiet 1. e4-player"), approximately "he has devoted his career to turning boring openings into dangerous weapons."
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #5 - 05/03/08 at 20:41:37
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JEH wrote on 12/21/06 at 14:22:52:
I've spent the last year weeding the KIA out of my repetoire.


Gosh, I did sound bitter back then. Ironically I spent the last year seeding the KIA back in  Smiley

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Just look up at some games from the european championchip that just finished, and you will find many games from GM's employing that opening sucessfully.


Thanks for the pointer cyronix, I've been having a look.

Tiviakov winning with the KIA vs the Caro-Kann, and even a 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. g3
  

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Reply #4 - 05/03/08 at 20:30:04
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King's Indian Attack offers no theoretical advantage,
but white is not worse in any case,


Whew!!! Well what a relief to know White is not worse. Would not want to play an opening as White where I can't equalize.
  

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