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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #75 - 06/04/24 at 13:48:46
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RdC wrote on 09/04/18 at 13:44:26:

The King's Indian Attack - Properly Played, Konikowski. It looks like a serious book. However, I could only find a paperback version (Amazon).
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #74 - 06/04/24 at 13:40:12
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I've seen it suggested that White has a problem against the newfangled way of playing the old French main line. I believe I've noticed Chessable courses on both sides, such as Edouard for White and Schandorff for Black. (The King's Indian Attack Reversed version appears in a recent "Stonewall Attack for Beginners" course.)
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #73 - 06/04/24 at 13:21:22
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 11/04/20 at 18:07:08:
I think these Reversed King's Indian positions are interesting for both sides.

I agree and thanks for posting the Blohberger - Wernberg game and analysis. Black's move order (1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. O-O e5) is very straightforward. By the way McDonald covers the King's Indian reversed:  "I probably shouldn’t shout it too loudly, but objectively speaking the King’s Indian Reversed is the biggest enemy of the King’s Indian Attack." Perhaps, I should apologize for the shout out, but there it is.

From this move order, White can play 4d4 often leading to a Catalan, with an early ...Nc6, or a Tarrasch QGD.

  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #72 - 06/04/24 at 13:10:57
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kylemeister wrote on 06/04/24 at 03:35:06:
"Probably the most common reply to Reti's I N-KB3 in modern tournament chess. Black angles for transposltlon to an ordinary Sicilian.

Yes, 1Nf3 c5 is often played.

McDonald's book approaches the KIA with the 1e4 move order. So after 1Nf3 c5, white will play e4 at some point. Looking up recent games, White often plays 1Nf3 c5 2c4 for a symmetrical English opening.

I like McDonald's book. I bought it in the Kindle format from Amazon and now wish I had spent more to get multiple formats from Everyman Chess. I expect that Emms' Starting Out: King's Indian Attack is good also.
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #71 - 06/04/24 at 03:35:06
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FreeRepublic wrote on 06/04/24 at 01:22:08:
The King's Indian Attack via the Reti move order can lead to many variations and even openings. It can be a maze, for both players. Now I'm thinking of 1Nf3 c5 for Black. Of course, this is only suitable if one is ready to play the Sicilian defense.

I'm reminded of Raymond Keene in 1977 ("when he was still writing good books" -- AOC): "Probably the most common reply to Reti's I N-KB3 in modern tournament chess. Black angles for transposltlon to an ordinary Sicilian. Once I fell into the trap of playing 2 P-K4 (against Karpov) and lost."

(By the way, part of that game was used by IM Julio Kaplan in an instructional article on pawn play.)

  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #70 - 06/04/24 at 01:22:08
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The King's Indian Attack via the Reti move order can lead to many variations and even openings. It can be a maze, for both players. Now I'm thinking of 1Nf3 c5 for Black. Of course, this is only suitable if one is ready to play the Sicilian defense. 

McDonald covers the KIA vs the Sicilian in many games in The King's Indian Attack Move by Move. Nonetheless, after 1Nf3 c5, it seems to me that the game can proceed in so many directions as to be almost unbookable. Perhaps 1Nf3 c5 and it's time to improvise!
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #69 - 05/17/24 at 14:36:14
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I think the KIA can fit naturally into Reti, anti-Reti play.

My objection to 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 is 4. d4! with Gruenfeld Indian Attack (GIA).

From the Black perspective, I'm considering:

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. g3 d5 3. Bg2 e6 4. O-O Be7 Black has waited long enough that White must commit to some pawn advance.

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There is 5d3, leading to the KIA topic of this thread. At least both sides can hope for some play.

5.d4 may lead to a Catalan, but many of Black's more dynamic options are no longer available. Some form of main-line beckons.

5.c4 asks for a reversed Benoni. However, this is not forced. For example, 
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. g3 d5 3. Bg2 e6 4. O-O Be7 5. c4 O-O 6. b3 c5 7. cd5 ed5 8. d4 Nc6 9. Bb2 Ne4 10. Nc3 Bf6 is the Tarrasch defense.

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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #68 - 05/17/24 at 07:37:43
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I never thought about this opening. But have to be very strong to try it!
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #67 - 11/04/20 at 18:07:08
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I think these Reversed King's Indian positions are interesting for both sides. I don't mind either color. In rated play I used to favor 5...f6, but in offhand chess (not lately due to COVID) I have switched to 5...Be7. Is the below game relevant? See notes from ChessBase in the attachment.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/siem-van-dael-unorthodox-openings-lead-to-success

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 c5 3.Bg2 Nc6 4.O-O e5 5.d3 Be7 6.Na3  Be6  7.c3   
7.e4 d4 8.Nc4 f6 9.a4 Qd7 10.Ne1 g5 11.f4 gxf4 12.gxf4 O-O-O 13. f5 Bxc4 14.dxc4 (1:0, 61) Wynn -Ismail, Nay Pyi Taw 2013
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8...g4 9.Ng5! +/- (1:0, 28) Blohberger - Wernberg, Uppsala Young Champions 2020
  

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Re: The Reti Opening Move by Move
Reply #66 - 11/21/19 at 04:58:50
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A question for IM Sam Collins....see your book on the Reti Opening has been further delayed ....So is it ever going to get published or is it dead in the water ?
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #65 - 11/20/19 at 13:38:11
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VGA wrote on 11/19/19 at 14:20:35:

Found the name of the book:

The King's Indian Attack... ...Properly Played

https://www.newinchess.com/the-king-s-indian-attack-properly-played


I see the author uses a number of old Fischer games as illustrations. Unless he has something new to say, these games and the ideas in them would be familiar from when they first appeared in 1960s and 1970s magazines and books.
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #64 - 11/19/19 at 14:20:35
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RdC wrote on 09/04/18 at 13:44:26:
New Book on the KIA
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7874.pdf

It's advocating 2. d3 against everything, including 1. .. e5. 

Personally I'd think it a little suspect except in 1. e4 e6 2. d3 and 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d3

Playing it on move 2 against the Sicilian discloses your intentions, so for example Black might respond 2. .. Nc6 which he might not be prepared to do after 1. d4 c5 2. Nf3 .


Found the name of the book:

The King's Indian Attack... ...Properly Played

https://www.newinchess.com/the-king-s-indian-attack-properly-played

Publication date :      September 1, 2018
Number of pages :      299
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #63 - 08/23/19 at 18:13:40
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Just back from the second of my three summer 'aways' to see these great posts. Excellent stuff, Eric -- thanks for it! It seems to me now (admittedly on just a quick butcher's) that 7 ...Qc7 must be better than 7 ...f6, as you suggest. V. useful Saemisch analogy, too ...

All this has got me thinking how superficial most of the literature I've seen on the KIA is! I can think of at least two good reasons why no one might be massively keen on writing a good book on the subject, but you'd have thought someone would have managed to dig down a bit rather than recycling the same half-dozen lines of old 'analysis' and 'famous games'! ...
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #62 - 08/18/19 at 17:12:11
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I was going to edit my previous post, but I guess that it's been too long?   

If we look at the position after 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4.d3 e5 5.Nbd2 Be7 6.e4 d4 7.Nc4 f6, I don't think that White needs to play 8.a4.  8.Nh4 b5 might be met with 9.Qh5+ (though I haven't analyzed extensively).  But even simply retreating the knight to a3 or d2 leaves Black's pieces somewhat misplaced and queenside possibly over-extended.   

Even 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4.d3 e5 5.Nbd2 Be7 6.e4 d4 7.Nc4 f6 8.a4 Bg4 is probably fine for White.  In my book on the Samisch I point out that this kind of setup works poorly for Black, but here with colors reversed, White has an extra tempo and Black has used a tempo on the sub-optimal ...Be7.  So all in all I think that this must be OK for White, if not hugely inspiring.  Better than allowing the 4.0-0 e5 5.d3 Be7 lines from earlier.
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #61 - 08/17/19 at 16:31:33
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For the record, I'm much higher on 4.c4 than I am on 4.d3; if your only problem with 4.0-0 e5 5.c4 is a transposition to a reversed Maroczy bind, then I think that 4.c4 is a very good solution.  Obviously, after 4.c4 Black could play an early ...e6 somewhere and you're likely back in a Tarrasch defense of some sort.  

Regarding 4.d3, I claim no advantage for White.  However, my understanding is that it's specifically 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. O-O e5 5. d3 Be7 that is the problem, largely because of 6. e4 d4 7. a4 h5!.  So I do think that White benefits by postponing castling here.  If 4.d3 e5 5.Nbd2 Be7, White could continue flexibly with 6.c3.  

Probably best is 6.e4 d4 7.Nc4, when 7...f6 looks a little odd in combination with 5...Be7 to me.  For instance, now White might play 8.0-0 here, because of h5? 9.Nh4!.  8.0-0 b5 9.Na3 a6 (perhaps not best) 10.Nh4 looks OK for White to me, also.  Perhaps even better than castling on move 8 would be 8.Nh4, which avoids all of those pawn-push lines from Black.  I'm talking about 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4.d3 e5 5.Nbd2 Be7 6.e4 d4 7.Nc4 f6 8.Nh4!?.  I think that a KIA player should be pretty happy with White there.  

The problem is probably 7...f6?!.  I'm sure that 7...Qc7 must be better in an ultimate sense, but now I think that White has avoided the worst of the kingside pawn-pushing lines  because the queen is slightly misplaced there (no longer in contact with the kingside and h4).  White could try 8.a4, and if 8...Bg4 use a trick like 9.0-0 h5 10.Qe1 h4 11.Nxh4 Bxh4 12.gh Rxh4 13.f3!  Or if he doesn't want to castle yet, perhaps 9.c3.  

Again I don't claim any advantage for White, but I think that there are subtleties here that favor White compared to the 4.0-0 line I gave above.  A KIA player could do some independent research and come up with a solution that works for them.   





  
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