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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #34 - 09/04/18 at 17:52:35
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Call me a cynic, but I don't have much hope for a publisher that provides a scanned excerpt.  Shocked Huh Undecided
  
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Reply #33 - 09/04/18 at 13:44:26
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New Book on the KIA
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7874.pdf

It's advocating 2. d3 against everything, including 1. .. e5.

Personally I'd think it a little suspect except in 1. e4 e6 2. d3 and 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d3

Playing it on move 2 against the Sicilian discloses your intentions, so for example Black might respond 2. .. Nc6 which he might not be prepared to do after 1. d4 c5 2. Nf3 .
  
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Reply #32 - 06/30/18 at 12:31:41
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MaxJudd wrote on 06/30/18 at 02:50:11:
A person starting with KIA vs. French is likely not going to be all that familiar with the unbalancing g5 lines in the Be7 Tarrasch unless they play that line as Black. 


I'd say it depends. Given that you can directly transpose, it's possible that a KIA player will have already met the line. Also .. g5 punts by Black aren't that unusual as attempts to break up the usual KIA structures and attack.
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #31 - 06/30/18 at 02:50:11
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A person starting with KIA vs. French is likely not going to be all that familiar with the unbalancing g5 lines in the Be7 Tarrasch unless they play that line as Black.  This isn't to say that this Bc5 approach is objectively better but merely that it has some  practical advantages beyond the cheapo set up by the move against the autopilot 5 g3 (and this cheapo does sometimes payoff).
  
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Reply #30 - 06/28/18 at 08:32:00
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Stigma wrote on 06/28/18 at 05:35:18:
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Must be a good idea for Black to have one of these in his repertoire, since they all lead to different play from what White is usually after in the KIA.


After 1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Nd2 Nf6 4. Ngf3 Bc5, then 5. d4 can be played. 5. .. Be7 is a Tarrasch French but 5. .. dxe4 and 5. .. Bb6 are also possible.
  
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Reply #29 - 06/28/18 at 05:35:18
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kylemeister wrote on 06/28/18 at 03:32:30:
Another possibility after 4. Ngf3 (and not an "old book move" like e.g. 4...Nc6 and 4...b6) is 4...Bc5 (one point being that 5. g3 is blunderous). 
https://www.chesspublishing.com/content/2/jun17.htm#kia


Ah yes, I should have mentioned that one. All these three 4th moves are favorites of John Watson's and covered in Play the French, both the 3rd and 4th editions (I don't have the earlier ones).

Must be a good idea for Black to have one of these in his repertoire, since they all lead to different play from what White is usally after in the KIA.

Btw. Watson seems quite unimpressed by the 4.g3 move order, and I think I agree. 4.Ngf3 must be the better try surely.
  

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Reply #28 - 06/28/18 at 03:32:30
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Stigma wrote on 06/28/18 at 01:25:05:
McDonald could probably have given the more flexible move order 1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.Ngf3 instead without losing any important options; waiting one more move with g3 to see if the bishop may be more useful elsewhere. Then 4...c5 and 4...Be7 can be confidently met with 5.g3. But 4...Nc6!? and 4...b6 are more sneaky, retaining options of ...e5 and/or ...Bc5. Both are very decent defences to the KIA.


Another possibility after 4. Ngf3 (and not an "old book move" like e.g. 4...Nc6 and 4...b6) is 4...Bc5 (one point being that 5. g3 is blunderous). 
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Reply #27 - 06/28/18 at 01:25:05
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RdC wrote on 06/27/18 at 18:57:40:
Playing a reverse Philidor is hardly the most aggressive of openings even with an extra tempo or two unless you spice it up by not castling, but playing Rg1 and g4 instead.

Cool plan. I have never looked at g4 in these positions. But it's a move that crops up in all kinds of openings these days. I guess this would actually be a White Lion!

VGA wrote on 06/28/18 at 00:42:30:
But I have to fianchetto since I already weakened a ton of squares by playing g3. Right?

McDonald could probably have given the more flexible move order 1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.Ngf3 instead without losing any important options; waiting one more move with g3 to see if the bishop may be more useful elsewhere. Then 4...c5 and 4...Be7 can be confidently met with 5.g3. But 4...Nc6!? and 4...b6 are more sneaky, retaining options of ...e5 and/or ...Bc5. Both are very decent defences to the KIA.

VGA wrote on 06/28/18 at 00:42:30:
Anyway, McDonald also suggests the alternative Qe2 instead of Nd2.

I've been looking at the KIA vs the French myself, and would love to make 2.d3 d5 3.Qe2 work. But the tempo-losing ...e6-e5 is a problem here too: 3...Nc6!? 4.Nf3 dxe4 5.dxe4 e5. Now 6.c3 and 7.Qc2 to get the bishop outside the blocked e4 pawn is probably best but nothing special for White - it's just a game. 3...Nc6 4.Nf3 d4 with a weird reversed King's Indian is also possible.

Starting with 2.Qe2 is an option, hoping to avoid or gain different options against these defences with ...e6-e5 and no ...c5 from Black.
  

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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #26 - 06/28/18 at 00:42:30
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RdC wrote on 06/27/18 at 18:57:40:
VGA wrote on 06/27/18 at 15:48:51:
Now what? White has played g3 already, he has to fianchetto on g2 and have a bad blocked in bishop while Black has space, easy development and castles 1 move earlier, too.


You can in fact change plans and play Nf3 and the Bishop out to b5. I don't know whether Macdonald recommends this.

With an early dxe4 and .. e5, the other plan for White is not to fianchetto at all, but to play c3 and Be2. Playing a reverse Philidor is hardly the most aggressive of openings even with an extra tempo or two unless you spice it up by not castling, but playing Rg1 and g4 instead.

But I have to fianchetto since I already weakened a ton of squares by playing g3. Right?

Anyway, McDonald also suggests the alternative Qe2 instead of Nd2.

Meanwhile I have decided that trying to play the KIA as a system will not give me any advantage, I'm better off focusing on each defense to e4, building around the Ruy Lopez. It may take a while  Grin
  
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Re: King's Indian Attack
Reply #25 - 06/27/18 at 19:47:43
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kylemeister wrote on 06/27/18 at 19:20:03:
[quote author=7E486F2C0 link=1166690424/23#23 date=1530125860]
But Black can meet 6. Ngf3 with ...Bc5.


An engine claims 7. Nxe5 as playable and a very small edge. No games in practice though.

The Vasiukov - Tal game is or perhaps was well known. It's in Ray Keene's Flank Openings as one of the few games to demonstrate that the KIA isn't a forced win.



  
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Reply #24 - 06/27/18 at 19:20:03
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RdC wrote on 06/27/18 at 18:57:40:
You can in fact change plans and play Nf3 and the Bishop out to b5. I don't know whether Macdonald recommends this.


But Black can meet 6. Ngf3 with ...Bc5.
Incidentally, a game with this system some people might recall is (the recently deceased) Vasiukov-Tal, annotated by Tal in his Life and Games book.
  
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Reply #23 - 06/27/18 at 18:57:40
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VGA wrote on 06/27/18 at 15:48:51:
Now what? White has played g3 already, he has to fianchetto on g2 and have a bad blocked in bishop while Black has space, easy development and castles 1 move earlier, too.


You can in fact change plans and play Nf3 and the Bishop out to b5. I don't know whether Macdonald recommends this.

With an early dxe4 and .. e5, the other plan for White is not to fianchetto at all, but to play c3 and Be2. Playing a reverse Philidor is hardly the most aggressive of openings even with an extra tempo or two unless you spice it up by not castling, but playing Rg1 and g4 instead.
  
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Reply #22 - 06/27/18 at 16:56:09
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VGA wrote on 06/27/18 at 15:48:51:
So he suggests 1. e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.g3

OK what if Black simply exchanges on e4?  4. ...dxe4 5. dxe4
Then Black plays 5. ...e5!


Well, that is in fact an old respected way of playing with Black.
  
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Reply #21 - 06/27/18 at 15:48:51
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I am reading the first chapter of Neil McDonald's KIA Move by Move game. This chapter is versus the French, the author states the KIA is good when Black has played e6 because he loses tempo if he plays e5 later.

So he suggests 1. e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.g3

OK what if Black simply exchanges on e4?  4. ...dxe4 5. dxe4
Then Black plays 5. ...e5!
Now what? White has played g3 already, he has to fianchetto on g2 and have a bad blocked in bishop while Black has space, easy development and castles 1 move earlier, too. Ehhhh? Where is my tempo advantage? I am playing White and he lost a tempo supposedly moving his e-pawn twice.

  
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Reply #20 - 05/08/08 at 03:03:41
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Ricardo dos Ramos is an Angstgegner for me - I have 0,5 out of about 10 against him. The draw I got when I deliberately played for it and decided to defend the NYD - until now the first and last time I tried it. And RdR has 20 years of experience with the KIA.
I won't deny that White scores above average against 4.b3 and 4.d3. I just wonder if he also does after 1...d5; 2...Nf6; 3...c6; 4...Bf5 and 5...e6.
  

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Reply #19 - 05/07/08 at 14:21:02
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Granted : London seems to cover a lot of openigns based on d4/Bf4/Nf3 etc. Therefor London System seems to be the most appropriate name to me...
But that was not the point, but this : the NYD is not that terrible to meet, in fact White scores above average with 4. b3 and 4. d3.
  
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Reply #18 - 05/06/08 at 16:06:04
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Compare 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bf4 Bg7 4.e3 0-0 5.h3 d6 6.c3 with 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6 4.0-0 Bf5 5.d3 e6 and 6...h6. As far as I know the first sequence is part of the London Opening. The latter is called the New York Defence.
  

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Reply #17 - 05/06/08 at 14:51:00
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MNB, it is not a reversed London as long as White does not play x. d4.
And white does have some viable other options which do not score too badly... 
After all the KIA (A07-A08) is just a variation within the Reti (A04 up till A09)...
  
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Reply #16 - 05/06/08 at 02:02:17
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[quote author=JEH link=1166690424/0#13 date=1209979155]
These are the sort of holes a KIA needs to patch with other systems. It's not a universal solution to lazyness  ;)
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Same problem if Black wants to play a Dutch Iljin-Zjenevsky. 1.Nf3 e6 and now what? White should either play 2.d4 (or later) or 2.e4, but may well assume that this is regular stuff for Black.
As I am not impressed by White's chances either if Black plays the New York (a reversed London), I usually advise to play the KIA only after 1.e4. Then White has the choice.
  

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Reply #15 - 05/05/08 at 10:25:55
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I think you sum up the options well, JEH.

Dunnington, yeah -- but after looking at his Reversed Pirc-style suggestion in some detail I concluded it's anodyne indeed. I think which option a player adopts must be guided principally by the highly subjective/personal matter of which other openings they know and find congenial. As someone who plays the Reti and is learning the English I'm tempted myself by 2 c4, but for the latter I don't necessarily want my KN on f3.

In your option (2) maybe a sound but rarer, less theory-intensive anti-Chigorin is an idea -- say 3 Bf4 or 3 g3.

  
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Reply #14 - 05/05/08 at 09:34:01
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It's not a universal solution to lazyness  Wink

Damn i was hoping  Smiley
I think the average chess player uses to much time on opening theory and to little with the endgame
  
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Reply #13 - 05/05/08 at 09:19:15
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[quote author=nmga link=1166690424/0#12 date=1209977299] Point taken, but I could see no mention in Emms' book of (after 1 Nf3) 1 ...Nc6, which though obviously not critical for the KIA can be seriously annoying for a "system" player if they've got nothing prepared against it ...[/quote]

I've only come across Dunnington's Ultimate KIA that mentions this one in the mass of KIA books. Rather annoying to be on your own at move 2!

Main Options are:

1) 2. e4 and Transpose into a Nimzowistch defence or mainline 1. e4 e5 opening. OK if you are using the KIA as part of an 1. e4 repetoire, which is the best approach.
2) 2. d4 and Transpose into a Chigorin. Decent choice theoretically, but not ideal to learn something like this for rare occasions.
3) 2. c4 and you're in a Reti.

These are outside of the scope of a Starting Out:KIA book somewhat, but are the best options.

4) 2. g3 and keep going with the system. White'll probably end up in a reversed Pirc. This is also true if you use the KIA vs the Alekhine (1. e4 Nf6 2. d3), Petroff (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d3) or as a Lopez replacement (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. g3 or d3). There is also KIA vs Pirc, or a copycat/symettrical approach. All very tame and not ideal, but White is =.

These are the sort of holes a KIA needs to patch with other systems. It's not a universal solution to lazyness  ;)

  

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Reply #12 - 05/05/08 at 08:48:19
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[quote]I think the best effort so far is Emm's Starting Out:KIA, as he gives a balanced view and doesn't overrate White's chances or shove the Fischer games down your throat.[/quote]

Point taken, but I could see no mention in Emms' book of (after 1 Nf3) 1 ...Nc6, which though obviously not critical for the KIA can be seriously annoying for a "system" player if they've got nothing prepared against it ...
  
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Reply #11 - 05/05/08 at 07:28:54
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TomKarlsen wrote on 05/05/08 at 07:20:41:
Anybody knows Nigel Davies kia dvd is it okay ? chesscafe thinks its "okay"
I thinking of taking the KIA up as surprise weapon


The KIA won't be that much of a surprise anymore. If you like learning from DVD's then Nigel's one is decent.

The problem with a lot of KIA material is that it is overhyped by the authour as the ultimate answer to all your opening woes.

Therefore I think the best effort so far is Emm's Starting Out:KIA, as he gives a balanced view and doesn't overrate White's chances or shove the Fischer games down your throat.


  

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Reply #10 - 05/05/08 at 07:20:41
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Anybody knows Nigel Davies kia dvd is it okay ? chesscafe thinks its "okay"
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Reply #9 - 05/04/08 at 08:51:04
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if black plays a kings indian setup he plays c4,d3,Rb1,b4. And keeps the e-pawn back at e2
  
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Reply #8 - 05/04/08 at 08:36:04
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What does he play against 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 followed by Black copying White for a few more moves, e.g. 4.0-0 0-0 5.d3 d6 6.e4 e5? Black should be close to completely equal if he plays like this, in my opinion.
  
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Reply #7 - 05/04/08 at 07:42:00
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I know a 2300 guy who always play Nf3,g3,Bg2,0-0 sometimes delaying 0-0. Often he plays d3, e4 or c4 sometimes b3. His results are quiet good. One im norm. As he says " I know my posistion is minimum equal".
  
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Reply #6 - 05/03/08 at 20:55:33
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Tiviakov reminds me of something someone (I'm thinking Jeroen Piket) wrote about Eduardas Rozentalis (another "quiet 1. e4-player"), approximately "he has devoted his career to turning boring openings into dangerous weapons."
  
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Reply #5 - 05/03/08 at 20:41:37
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JEH wrote on 12/21/06 at 14:22:52:
I've spent the last year weeding the KIA out of my repetoire.


Gosh, I did sound bitter back then. Ironically I spent the last year seeding the KIA back in  Smiley

Quote:
Just look up at some games from the european championchip that just finished, and you will find many games from GM's employing that opening sucessfully.


Thanks for the pointer cyronix, I've been having a look.

Tiviakov winning with the KIA vs the Caro-Kann, and even a 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. g3
  

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King's Indian Attack offers no theoretical advantage,
but white is not worse in any case,


Whew!!! Well what a relief to know White is not worse. Would not want to play an opening as White where I can't equalize.
  

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King's Indian Attack offers no theoretical advantage,
but white is not worse in any case,
and the positions are quite dynamic.
Just look up at some games from the european championchip that just finished, and you will find many games from GM's employing that opening sucessfully.
  
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Reply #2 - 12/22/06 at 10:17:14
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I still play the KIA because it's almost never a draw and very interesting. But that's true black has a very wide choiceof good continuations. To limit Black choice you can start by 1.e4 and there is no more King Indian reversed, Bf5 and Bg4 variations. Tha dark side is that we have to study 1.e4 e5 1.e4 c6 and the terrible 1.e4 d5! no King indian attack this way !
  
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Reply #1 - 12/21/06 at 14:22:52
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I've spent the last year weeding the KIA out of my repetoire. There are many good set ups for Black, and being so spoilt for choice one hasn't really emerged as best. I guess it depends on what best fits in with the rest of blacks repetoire.

For me, the systems that put me off the KIA the most were the Sicilan set up with c5/d6/e5/f5/g6/Bg7/Nc6 and Ne7 (although Nf6 is ok too) and the KIA reversed, d5, c5, Nc6, e5 (especially with g6) where it took me a long while to accept that White's extra move in a KID might actually be a liability.

Now it might be thought ok to keep the KIA vs systems where Black has played e6 (ie French and e6 Sicilians), but in the Sicilian system above, Black is still ok playing e5 in two moves, on top of that there is a glut other equalising systems available to a French player. Watson's French book covers 3, the long main line is ok for Black, and lines where Black castles Queenside are ok too, plus the g6/e6/d5 system is available from the French.

And I haven't even go to the London and Keres systems which are ok for Black too! I've also wondered if White has any advantage if Black just mirrors Whites moves, which isn't covered much in the theory books. Plus there's 1. Nf3 Nc6 which is a problem for White if not prepared to go into mainline theory with 2. e4 or 2.d4

Sure, there have been some great games won by KIA players, but I think that was despite the opening, not because of it. KIA books mention Fischer, and sure, Fischer won some great KIA games, but these were in his youth and it's more instructive to look at what openings Fischer stopped playing.

  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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King's Indian Attack
12/21/06 at 08:40:24
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I like to play sometimes the King's Indian Attack and i have almost all the books on the subjet. But i never found serious analysis and maybe the best set up for black : 1.e4 (or 1.g3 or Nf3) c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.0-0 Nc6 6.d3 e6 7.c3 Nge7. Books gives always the same game : Fischer-Durao 8.d4! 0-0 9.dxc5! dxc5 10.Qe2! += a little incomplete !
  
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