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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #33 - 09/13/07 at 22:26:01
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[quote]There is a German book named "Klassische Systeme oder Spanisch ohne 3...a6" by Varnusz which has c.a. 100 pages on the Berlin defense. [/quote]

Wow! What's the coverage like, how recent is it, and does he give similarly in-depth coverage to other moves, like 3 ...g6?
  
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Reply #32 - 09/12/07 at 01:55:03
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ano wrote on 09/11/07 at 23:48:42:
When approximately will you be delivering it to the publisher?


Yes, and when will you be fixing that leak in the bathroom sink?
  

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Reply #31 - 09/11/07 at 23:48:42
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When approximately will you be delivering it to the publisher?
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #30 - 09/11/07 at 07:49:10
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The delay is my fault. I am still toiling away, although not finding as much time to devote to it as I would like. It will be published - at least it will be delivered and I very much hope my publishers will not by then have got bored of waiting.
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #29 - 09/07/07 at 10:32:50
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Hello,
I´m looking forward to read this book, but today I saw on the side of Qualitychess that it is "delayed" Sad !
I hope very much not for too long?
Have you an answer Mr. Cox?

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #28 - 07/30/07 at 19:55:58
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The Bits & Pieces archive  is here, but I did not find anything on the Berlin. http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/archive.html

However Andrew Martin has something to say about the Berlin on his Chessbase DVD ABC of the Ruy Lopez http://www.chessbase.com/workshop2.asp?id=2069

I thought the planned Quality Chess book on the Berlin was canceled so I am happy to hear that it might be on track autumn 07.
  
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Reply #27 - 07/30/07 at 19:02:47
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Checked with the quality chess web site which indicate autumn 2007...
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #26 - 07/30/07 at 05:52:06
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John or anyone,

When will this book be available?
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #25 - 02/18/07 at 15:47:54
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There is a German book named "Klassische Systeme oder Spanisch ohne 3...a6" by Varnusz which has c.a. 100 pages on the Berlin defense.
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #24 - 01/24/07 at 16:05:29
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chessy wrote on 01/12/07 at 15:44:30:
So dear john, please dont sleep, dont go out, just work on this book!


Maybe you should pull a Bertrand Russell. Get thrown in jail for some political protest so you can buckle down and focus! Yes, you would be miserable, but do it for us. Please?

Seriously, is there a projected title or publication date set yet?
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #23 - 01/21/07 at 14:21:07
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Hello Mr. Cox,
there is a german chesspaper called "Schach" and in the mumber 10 of 1999 is an article from Christoher Lutz (9 pages) about the `Berliner Variante`.

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #22 - 01/14/07 at 17:16:24
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Shereshevsky only gives one game (Psakhis - Romanishin, Yerevan 1982), tucked away at the end of the section on the Exchange Variation.  Not surprising really, as the Berlin had been out of favour/fashion for many decades when the book was written.
  

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #21 - 01/13/07 at 20:34:23
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In my own personal database I have collected commented games from the internet. If u like I could email u a file with the "Berlin content" of my own database!? (the file is a bit larger than the attachment limit set her on the forum).
These are mainly collected from chessgate.de and kasparovchess.com (now inactive).
The games are commented by Kasparov, Shipov, Shirov, Kindermann, Lutz ++

One of the games I have is this from chessgate.de:
"SO SPIELT WEISS GEGEN DIE BERLINER VARIANTE MIT 7...Se4":
http://www.chessgate.de/training/training_kindermann/training_kindermann.html


Btw, I also seam to recall that "Mastering the endgame" by shereshevsky/slutsky also contains some Berlin-Wall stuff...
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #20 - 01/12/07 at 15:44:30
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I am realy curious about this book. So dear john, please dont sleep, dont go out, just work on this book!

sorry sometimes i am impatiant.
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #19 - 01/12/07 at 11:36:35
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Thanks, everyone - cheek, calling the Berlin annoying! Anyone using this book btw should be aware that 6...f6 wins a piece after 6 Bg5. White has some compensation but not enough according to practice, although I know Top Notch, for example, disagrees.

Don't think so (5...Be7, that is).

Think I've found AM's stuff which was on 3...Nf6 4 00 d6?!, but thanks anyway.

That Kenilworthian list is particularly useful.
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #18 - 01/11/07 at 22:28:10
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mangler wrote on 01/11/07 at 21:10:32:
I know John Watson and Eric Schiller had a small section on the Berlin in one of their books. not sure of the title...


The title is Survive and Beat Annoying Chess Openings - The Open Games, and yes there are two pages on the Berlin, focusing on 4. 0-0 Nxe4. 5. d4 Bd6, with a brief note on 5.- Be7. After 5.- Nd6 they recommend 6. Bg5!? and the main line continues 6.- Be7. 7. Bxc6 dxc6. 8. Bxe7 Qxe7, 9. dxe5 Nf5.
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #17 - 01/11/07 at 21:10:32
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I know John Watson and Eric Schiller had a small section on the Berlin in one of their books. not sure of the title, maybe someone else can assist? I am thinking it was "surviving and beating annoying openings", or something like that. Also the Complete Spanish by Suetin must have had some coverage.

Good luck with the book!!
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #16 - 01/11/07 at 20:19:19
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John,

I don't have the article to hand but he updates it on his DVD 5d3 v Ruy lopez.

Interesting quote from Anatoly Karpov in his 'Open game in action' (Batsford 1988) ........at the same time the Berlin has all but disappeared' !!!!! p45.

I don't know if your covering the be7 lines but the Karpov Korchnoi game is covered in quite a lot of places.

Other sources 'My great predcessors'- GKasparov

Presumably you will cover 4 d4 which has a nice game Marshall v Lasker  New York 1907 annotated by Chernev at Game 41 of his ' Most instructive games of Chess ever
played".

No doubt you've got NCO as part of your essential resources.
Horowitz "chess openings" Faber (1964) has a couple of short Chapters on this line.

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #15 - 01/11/07 at 18:12:09
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Michael Goeller did a detailed bibliography of the Berlin Defense on the Kenilworthian Chess Club's blog.  http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2006/09/ruy-lopez-berlin-defens...
  

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Reply #14 - 01/11/07 at 17:58:04
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Susan Polgar did a two part series on the Berlin in the January and February 2006 issues of Chess Life.  The January issue also has an Endgame Lab on the Berlin by Pal Benko.  Would be happy to mail you copies of these articles if you need them.
  

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Reply #13 - 01/11/07 at 17:06:58
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IMJohnCox wrote on 01/11/07 at 10:22:52:
I’m doing a book on the Berlin for Quality Chess and I’m interested in any (preferably English-language, but I’m not that fussy) sources. The ones I know of so far are:

Almasi’s various Yearbook articles.
Shamkovich’s Chess Terrorist’s Handbook has some stuff on 5 Re1.
Kaufman’s Chess Advantage in Black and White.
Flear’s Unusual Ruy Lopez.
Khalifman’s Anand repertoire book, volume 1.
Andrew Greet’s Play the Ruy Lopez on 4 Qe2.
L B Hansen’s Secrets of Endgame Strategy (several games as part of a general disquisition).

Can anyone point me to any other useful material?


This line was in Tarrasch's repertoire, and there are some games in, um, Reinfeld's I think, collection of Tarrasch's games.  The games are of minor importance perhaps, but it's interesting that this notable champion of piece activity and space repeatedly played the queenless version of the Berlin.
  

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #12 - 01/11/07 at 16:15:02
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Pal Benko wrote a couple of columns about the Berlin endgame.  Not sure how much they add to what you already have listed, but the columns can be found in one of his anthologies.

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Reply #11 - 01/11/07 at 15:40:39
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I think you'll find that Andy Martin in his bits and pieces column has written about the Re1 line as a recommendation. .... You should have a look at his DVD as well.



Andrew Brett may be referring to A. Martin's ChessBase DVD "The ABC of the Ruy Lopez" or somesuch which does, indeed, discuss 5.Re1.  I don't remember the games he quoted off the top of my head.
  
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Reply #10 - 01/11/07 at 14:46:21
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Forgot to mention that Wisnewski (forum member here) very often plays the bird with Nf6
  

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #9 - 01/11/07 at 14:31:10
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IMJohnCox wrote on 01/11/07 at 14:02:25:
Willempie, I thought ....Nf6 didn't fit into a Bird, while d3 presumably is de rigueur. (is that how you spell that? Looks wrong, suddenly).

Cant help you with the french spelling, I guess it is just rigeur  Grin

Nf6 indeed usually isnt found in the Bird and is supposedly less optimal. On the other hand it is not easy for white to win. Against one of my clubmates whose rating is somewhere around 2200 (I am not even 2000) I played an evening of blitz with the following variation 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nd4 5.Nxd4 exd4 (we wanted to know if we could mix the bird and berlin properly). He beat me twice as white, but I got him really frustrated with about 3 draws as black.
  

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #8 - 01/11/07 at 14:02:25
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Andrew, I'm struggling to find the Andrew Martin column you mention. Any help gratefully received.

Willempie, I thought ....Nf6 didn't fit into a Bird, while d3 presumably is de rigueur. (is that how you spell that? Looks wrong, suddenly).
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #7 - 01/11/07 at 13:32:35
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I understand your point, just be aware they can transpose. Eg 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 Nd4 (if the Bird isnt refuted this cant be bad). Now personally I dont think 5.Nxd4 gives enough, so that 5.Nc3 is definately an option leading to a strange mix of the Berlin, Bird and 4knights.
  

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Reply #6 - 01/11/07 at 13:20:24
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I wouldn't call that a true 4 Knights since White didn't go Nc3 until ...Bb4 was ruled out. I'll certainly cover 4 d3, but it'll mainly be on the Berlin 'endgame'.

As to why not the 4 Knights I don't see the logic. To defend the Ruy at all you have to allow the 4 Knights. The Berlin doesn't therefore 'allow' it any more than, eg, the Marshall. It's true that some people are so terrified of having their queen exchanged that they go 4 Nc3 after 3...Nf6, so you might see it a bit more often than other Ruy defenders, but still I don't think it's logical to cover it in a Berlin book.
  
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Reply #5 - 01/11/07 at 13:14:46
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IMJohnCox wrote on 01/11/07 at 12:53:58:
Willempie - thanks. I'll have a look at the ones you mention. Didn't know JE had done an Easy Guide - does he mention he took up the Scotch 'cos he got fed up of losing on the White side of the Berlin, I wonder?!

No he just mentions he used to play these childish openings (Vienna and the likes) but that he switched to the Ruy because it is such a good opening and that he never turned back Grin

His chapter on the Berlin is quite good in the explanation department (basically some themes in the endgame), but it may be a bit outdated theorywise.

PS why not 4.Nc3? For example the 4.d3 lines can often transpose as well. Just look what happens to our blatter-impaired WC Berlin specialist against Svidler:
[[Event "Dortmund final"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2004.07.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Svidler,Peter"]
[Black "Kramnik,Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C48"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.Nc3 d6 6.0-0 0-0 7.Na4 Bb6 8.Nxb6 axb6 9.c3 h6 10.h3 Bd7 11.Ba4 Re8 12.Bb3 Be6 13.Bc2 d5 14.a3 dxe4 15.dxe4 Bc4 16.Re1 Qxd1 17.Rxd1 Na5 18.Nd2 Be6 19.b4 Nc4 20.Nxc4 Bxc4 21.a4 Red8 22.Be3 Ne8 23.f4 exf4 24.Bxf4 Be6 25.e5 Kf8 26.Be3 Rxd1+ 27.Rxd1 h5 28.Kf2 g6 29.Kf3 Ng7 30.g4 Bc4 31.Bh6 Kg8 32.Bg5 c6 33.Rd7 Bd5+ 34.Kg3 hxg4 35.hxg4 Rb8 36.Be3 Ne6 37.Bxb6 Kg7 38.Bd3 Bb3 39.a5 Ba4 40.Bc4 Ng5
41.Be3 c5 42.Rc7 Ne4+ 43.Kf3  1-0
  

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Willempie - thanks. I'll have a look at the ones you mention. Didn't know JE had done an Easy Guide - does he mention he took up the Scotch 'cos he got fed up of losing on the White side of the Berlin, I wonder?!
  
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Reply #3 - 01/11/07 at 12:52:17
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Thanks, Andrew. Yes, I took Informator and the NiC Yearbook for granted, but thanks for pointing me to GF's article.

Chesspub is actually pretty lamentable on this line, but I will have a look, certainly, if the site authorities ever get my password to work....

Fischer - really? I'll look - some game against Bisguier, no doubt. Is that the one where he slumped and his chest collapsed, I wonder?

Which AM DVD is that, then? Bits and Pieces is on the internet somewhere, is it?

The Four Knights - I doubt it, after all it's not specific to the Berlin. Whatever Ruy line you're playing you've got to be ready for 3 Nc3, and a huge majority of people play 3.,..Nf6 then, so there's no reason as I see it to cover the Four Knights by this route any more than, eg, the Scotch of King's Gambit.
  
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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #2 - 01/11/07 at 12:49:11
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-Emms' Easy guide has a chapter (one of the better chapters I might add)
-Shaw's Starting Out the Ruy does too. Though both may be less useful to you. The former for being a bit out of date, the latter for not focussing too much on theory itself.
-Stay away from Play the Ruy by Lane. It deals with the Berlin (d3 and the main line), but I found the book lacking in about every area. Complete lines are missing, alternatives not mentioned etc.

Those are the recents books I have.

If you also deal with 4.Nc3 (seems often neglected) you may want to look in the various 1.e4 e5 books eg from Marin.
  

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Re: Berlin sources
Reply #1 - 01/11/07 at 12:46:28
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Dear John,

I think you'll find that Andy Martin in his bits and pieces column has written about the Re1 line as a recommendation. Luke McShane had a nice win in this line against Nielson a few years aqo. I haven't got the exact reference but believe it was in Chess a while ago. You should have a look at his DVD as well.

New in Chess Yearbook - Vol 57 by Glenn Flear- I suspect there are later ones as well and in informator.

Fischer' memorable games has some analysis.

And dare I say it but Chess publishing has a few bits of info as well.

Just one question the reply 4 Nc3 turns the game into a 4 knights - are you going to comment on that ?

Good luck !

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01/11/07 at 10:22:52
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I’m doing a book on the Berlin for Quality Chess and I’m interested in any (preferably English-language, but I’m not that fussy) sources. The ones I know of so far are:

Almasi’s various Yearbook articles.
Shamkovich’s Chess Terrorist’s Handbook has some stuff on 5 Re1.
Kaufman’s Chess Advantage in Black and White.
Flear’s Unusual Ruy Lopez.
Khalifman’s Anand repertoire book, volume 1.
Andrew Greet’s Play the Ruy Lopez on 4 Qe2.
L B Hansen’s Secrets of Endgame Strategy (several games as part of a general disquisition).

Can anyone point me to any other useful material?
  
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