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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2916 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #24 - 10/24/13 at 08:54:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	tony37 wrote on 10/16/13 at 10:30:02: in Daniel's line: 14.d5 Rac8 15.Bd3 Nd7 16.Nf1 f5 17.b3, has only been played in correspondence games That would explain why its not in my database and is Houdini's first choice! It looks like an excellent positional move also.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #23 - 10/20/13 at 19:58:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	Schaakhamster wrote on 10/20/13 at 14:10:50: Looked at this line a few years ago and found this game of Hou Yifan pretty convincing against the exchange sack But 20...Bxd5 is probably an error.


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Schaakhamster God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 650 Joined: 05/13/08	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #22 - 10/20/13 at 14:10:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Looked at this line a few years ago and found this game of Hou Yifan pretty convincing against the exchange sack [Event "Magistral Ruy Lopez"] [Site "Zafra ESP"] [Date "2007.??.??"] [White "Hou Yifan"] [Black "Perez Candelario,Man"] [Round "7"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "2509"] [BlackElo "2515"] [ECO "C88"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. Ng3 f4 18. Nf5 Rxf5 19. exf5 Nf6 20. Ng5 Bxd5 21. Be4 Bxe4 22. Nxe4 Nxe4 23. Rxe4 Qb7 24. Re1 Rf8 25. Qd3 Rf6 26. b3 g6 27. Bd2 Nc6 28. fxg6 Rxg6 29. Qd5+ Kf8 30. Bxf4 Nd8 31. Qxb7 Nxb7 32. Be3 d5 33. Rac1 d4 34. Rc8+ Nd8 35. Bd2 Re6 36. f4 e4 37. f5 1-0


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brabo God Member Offline Welcome chessfriend Posts: 1068 Joined: 02/02/07	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #21 - 10/17/13 at 14:25:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/17/13 at 13:45:15: Daniel wrote on 10/15/13 at 15:49:46: download all the ICCF and LSS games, make a database of them, kill all the doubles, and then make an opening book of the culled database consisting of all games with players rated above 2000 or so. How do you download the correspondence games? I remember seeing a thread here which suggested that you had to be an ICCF player to get their database now. The thread can be found here: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1374219618/0 and i also wrote a blogarticle around it http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2013/10/iccf.html


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #20 - 10/17/13 at 13:45:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Daniel wrote on 10/15/13 at 15:49:46: download all the ICCF and LSS games, make a database of them, kill all the doubles, and then make an opening book of the culled database consisting of all games with players rated above 2000 or so. How do you download the correspondence games? I remember seeing a thread here which suggested that you had to be an ICCF player to get their database now.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #19 - 10/16/13 at 19:23:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	Daniel wrote on 10/16/13 at 16:48:38: If 16...f5 is bad, why am I even playing 13...Bb7 14. d4 Rac8 anyway? Good question! Daniel wrote on 10/16/13 at 16:48:38: For 28...Nxf2 white is still for preference after: 29. Kxf2 g5 30. Kf1 fxe3 31. Bxe3 Qb4 32. Kg1 Qxe4 33. Bxg5 Qg6 34. Bxd8 Rxd8 35. Kh2 * I would prefer to play 31...Qb5 so that 32 a4 Qb4 leaves the b-pawn backward (it might prove important later), then after 33 Kg1 g4 (33...Bxh3!? looks worse) 34 hxg4 hxg4 35 Nd2 g3!? with plenty of play for the pawn, and meanwhile 35 Qd2 can be met by the nice trick 35...gxf3! Daniel wrote on 10/16/13 at 16:48:38: After 27...a5, sacs on e5 are annoying: 28. Bc3 Ba6 29. Rd2 h5 30. Ngxe5 Nxe5 31. Nxe5 dxe5 32. Bxe5+ Bf6 33. Ba1 It doesn't look that worrying for Black after 33...Qd6 as the central pawns aren't going anywhere, Black's pieces are reasonably active and ...f3 is a threat.


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Daniel Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 169 Joined: 05/29/06 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #18 - 10/16/13 at 16:48:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/16/13 at 11:29:00: tony37 wrote on 10/16/13 at 10:30:02: in Daniel's line: 14.d5 Rac8 15.Bd3 Nd7 16.Nf1 f5 17.b3, has only been played in correspondence games Interesting, it occurred to me that 17 exf5 Nc5 was probably not very good because of the reply 18 b3!, keeping the knight stuck on a5, but I didn't consider 17 b3. Ouch 17. b3! is just good as 17...Qc3 18. Rb1 Nc5 traps both the Queen and the a5 knight. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. b3 Qc3 18. Rb1 Nc5 19. Bd2 Qxd3 20. Re3 Qxb1 21. Qxb1 +- Quote: Daniel wrote on 10/15/13 at 15:49:46: Sure. I became interested in this line after discovering 18...Rxf5!?, but it doesn't fully equalize ie: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. Ng3 f4 18. Nf5 Rxf5 19. exf5 Nf6 20. Bd2 Nc4 21. Rc1 Qd7 22. Bxc4 bxc4 23. b3 cxb3 24. Rxc8+ Qxc8 25. Qxb3 Bxd5 26. Qb1 Bf8 27. Ng5 * I suppose 18...Rxf5 is playable OTB in a quick game, but it doesn't look like Black has a great deal for the exchange, objectively. This whole line is starting to look like it's best saved for rapid and blitz games! If 16...f5 is bad, why am I even playing 13...Bb7 14. d4 Rac8 anyway? Quote: Wow! I think there is little chance of coming across white play like this OTB unless Ivanov comes out of 'retirement'! Two questions: is 27...a5 playable? What about 28...Nxf2 29 Kxf2 g5 ? For 28...Nxf2 white is still for preference after: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. Ng3 f4 18. Nf5 Bd8 19. Bd2 Nc4 20. Rc1 g6 21. Nh6+ Kg7 22. b3 Nc5 23. Bxc4 bxc4 24. Rxc4 Qb6 25. Ng4 Nd3 26. Rxc8 Bxc8 27. Re2 h5 28. Ne3 Nxf2 29. Kxf2 g5 30. Kf1 fxe3 31. Bxe3 Qb4 32. Kg1 Qxe4 33. Bxg5 Qg6 34. Bxd8 Rxd8 35. Kh2 * After 27...a5, sacs on e5 are annoying: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. Ng3 f4 18. Nf5 Bd8 19. Bd2 Nc4 20. Rc1 g6 21. Nh6+ Kg7 22. b3 Nc5 23. Bxc4 bxc4 24. Rxc4 Qb6 25. Ng4 Nd3 26. Rxc8 Bxc8 27. Re2 a5 28. Bc3 Ba6 29. Rd2 h5 30. Ngxe5 Nxe5 31. Nxe5 dxe5 32. Bxe5+ Bf6 33. Ba1


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #17 - 10/16/13 at 11:29:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	tony37 wrote on 10/16/13 at 10:30:02: in Daniel's line: 14.d5 Rac8 15.Bd3 Nd7 16.Nf1 f5 17.b3, has only been played in correspondence games Interesting, it occurred to me that 17 exf5 Nc5 was probably not very good because of the reply 18 b3!, keeping the knight stuck on a5, but I didn't consider 17 b3. Daniel wrote on 10/15/13 at 15:49:46: Sure. I became interested in this line after discovering 18...Rxf5!?, but it doesn't fully equalize ie: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. Ng3 f4 18. Nf5 Rxf5 19. exf5 Nf6 20. Bd2 Nc4 21. Rc1 Qd7 22. Bxc4 bxc4 23. b3 cxb3 24. Rxc8+ Qxc8 25. Qxb3 Bxd5 26. Qb1 Bf8 27. Ng5 * I suppose 18...Rxf5 is playable OTB in a quick game, but it doesn't look like Black has a great deal for the exchange, objectively. Daniel wrote on 10/15/13 at 15:49:46: 18...Bd8 is not much better on account of lines like: 19. Bd2 Nc4 20. Rc1 g6 21. Nh6+ Kg7 22. b3 Nc5 23. Bxc4 bxc4 24. Rxc4 Qb6 25. Ng4 Nd3 26. Rxc8 Bxc8 27. Re2 h5 28. Ne3 fxe3 29. Bxe3 Nc5 30. Bxc5 dxc5 31. Nxe5 Qf6 32. Nc4 Qf4 33. Qa1+ * with good play for white. Wow! I think there is little chance of coming across white play like this OTB unless Ivanov comes out of 'retirement'! Two questions: is 27...a5 playable? What about 28...Nxf2 29 Kxf2 g5 ?


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tony37 God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 619 Joined: 10/16/10	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #16 - 10/16/13 at 10:30:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	in Daniel's line: 14.d5 Rac8 15.Bd3 Nd7 16.Nf1 f5 17.b3, has only been played in correspondence games


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #15 - 10/15/13 at 23:46:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	tony37 wrote on 10/15/13 at 16:48:10: in that line 17.b3 scores an incredible 94% for white Which line?


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tony37 God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 619 Joined: 10/16/10	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #14 - 10/15/13 at 16:48:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	in that line 17.b3 scores an incredible 94% for white playable? not this line I guess (likely because black has two pieces doing about nothing)


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Daniel Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 169 Joined: 05/29/06 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #13 - 10/15/13 at 15:49:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	Sure. I became interested in this line after discovering 18...Rxf5!?, but it doesn't fully equalize ie: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. Ng3 f4 18. Nf5 Rxf5 19. exf5 Nf6 20. Bd2 Nc4 21. Rc1 Qd7 22. Bxc4 bxc4 23. b3 cxb3 24. Rxc8+ Qxc8 25. Qxb3 Bxd5 26. Qb1 Bf8 27. Ng5 * 18...Bd8 is not much better on account of lines like: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. Nf1 f5 17. Ng3 f4 18. Nf5 Bd8 19. Bd2 Nc4 20. Rc1 g6 21. Nh6+ Kg7 22. b3 Nc5 23. Bxc4 bxc4 24. Rxc4 Qb6 25. Ng4 Nd3 26. Rxc8 Bxc8 27. Re2 h5 28. Ne3 fxe3 29. Bxe3 Nc5 30. Bxc5 dxc5 31. Nxe5 Qf6 32. Nc4 Qf4 33. Qa1+ * with good play for white. A good, free, and legal tool for studying openings Tony is to download all the ICCF and LSS games, make a database of them, kill all the doubles, and then make an opening book of the culled database consisting of all games with players rated above 2000 or so. This enables much faster searching than say, setting your ICCF database as a reference database in Chessbase. If you need help just message me and I can walk you through it.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #12 - 10/15/13 at 00:59:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Matemax wrote on 10/14/13 at 14:14:52: For sure - I could filter out all corr. games played on ICCF in this line if needed. Ok, thanks!


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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #11 - 10/14/13 at 14:14:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/14/13 at 10:36:38: I've been looking at this line and it seems more than playable to me - would any subscribers be interested in this as a repertoire for Black? For sure - I could filter out all corr. games played on ICCF in this line if needed.


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2338 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #10 - 10/14/13 at 12:19:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/14/13 at 10:36:38: I've been looking at this line and it seems more than playable to me - would any subscribers be interested in this as a repertoire for Black? Well, there you have it. Your next book, waiting to be written. Chugging with the Chigorin. With QualityChess, not Everyman please. Standards. As an aside, I do so like the name joakimvitriol, who posted earlier.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #9 - 10/14/13 at 10:36:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	I've been looking at this line and it seems more than playable to me - would any subscribers be interested in this as a repertoire for Black?


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3161 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #8 - 10/13/13 at 00:04:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	ANDREW BRETT wrote on 08/13/10 at 07:08:30: It's a fully playable line and there are improvements for black on Shirov-Timman. Lengyel played 15...Nd7 followed by 16...f5 against me many years ago with interesting play (that is, I didn't much like my position, although I did manage to win anyway. )


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ANDREW BRETT God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 622 Joined: 07/07/06	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #7 - 08/13/10 at 07:08:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	It's a fully playable line and there are improvements for black on Shirov-Timman. But why play this when you can play a Zaitsev with your Knight on b4 as opposed to a5 when you go for an f5 break. Side issue 12 d5 is quite critical and you'd need to be ready for it.


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Roger Williamson wrote on 06/24/10 at 18:42:39:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 0-0 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cd 13. cd Bb7 14. d5 Bc8 15. Nf1 Ne8 is worth a look.

Khalifman's proposal in 'Opening for White according to Anand, Volume 2' is hardly terminal for Black.

Khalifman does not recommend 15. Nf1 here. After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d6 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Bc8 he suggests 15. Re3:

"Only energetic actions can punish the loss of time from Black's part." And he continues with: 15. ... Nb7 16. Rc3 Qb8 17. b4 a5 18. Ba3

"White found a potential target - the b5-pawn which is far from being the best shield for the black queen on b8, Panno - Eliskases, Mar del Plata 1958". The game he cites concluded as follows: 18. ... Bd7 19. bxa5 Bd8 20. Nb3 Nxa5 21. Nxa5 Bxa5 22. Rb3 Rc8 23. Bd3 b4 24. Qe2 Ba4 25. Rbb1 bxa3 26. Rxb8 Raxb8 27. Rb1 g6 28. Nd2 Rxb1+ 29. Nxb1 Rc1+ 30. Kh2 Re1 31. Qf3 Kg7 32. g4 Bd1 33. Qg3 Bb4 34. Kg2 g5 35. Nxa3 Bxa3 36. f4 Bb4 37. fxe5 Nxe4 38. Bxe4 Rxe4 39. exd6 Re2+ 40. Kf1 Re1+ 41.Kg2 Re2+ [½-½]

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Roger Williamson Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 114 Joined: 09/26/08 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #5 - 06/24/10 at 18:42:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 0-0 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cd 13. cd Bb7 14. d5 Bc8 15. Nf1 Ne8 is worth a look. Khalifman's proposal in 'Opening for White according to Anand, Volume 2' is hardly terminal for Black.


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joakimvitriol YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 43 Joined: 04/06/10	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #4 - 06/24/10 at 05:47:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bd3 Nc4 In this position Khalifman gives 16.Nf1 but engines want to play 16.a4 or 16.Nxc4 and Dominguez against much lower rated opponent played 16.Bxc4 (according to Khalifman it is bad way to seek opening advantage for white in this line). So what's the verdict?


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Daniel Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 169 Joined: 05/29/06 Gender:	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #3 - 01/16/07 at 06:57:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	I looked at this line a bit and I now think that white is clearly better in almost all lines if he knows theory


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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #2 - 01/12/07 at 16:13:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	Here is the sample game that Flear gives (w/o his annotations) [Event "Belgrade Investbank"] [Site "Belgrade"] [Date "1995.??.??"] [Round "8"] [White "Shirov, Alexei"] [Black "Timman, Jan H"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "C99"] [WhiteElo "2695"] [BlackElo "2595"] [PlyCount "75"] [EventDate "1995.11.??"] [EventType "tourn"] [EventRounds "11"] [EventCountry "YUG"] [EventCategory "17"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2004.01.01"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. d5 Rac8 15. Bb1 Nh5 16. Nf1 Nf4 17. Bxf4 exf4 18. Bd3 Bf6 19. Qe2 Qc5 20. Rac1 Qb4 21. b3 Rfe8 22. Rxc8 Bxc8 23. Qc2 Qc3 24. Rc1 Qxc2 25. Rxc2 b4 26. Rc7 Bb7 27. N1d2 Kf8 28. Kf1 Re7 29. Rxe7 Kxe7 30. Ke2 Bc3 31. Nb1 Ba1 32. Ne1 f5 33. Nc2 fxe4 34. Bxe4 Bf6 35. Nxb4 h6 36. Bd3 Bd4 37. Nc2 Ba7 38. Nc3 1-0


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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation Reply #1 - 01/12/07 at 16:03:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	I've always thought the main problem with the Panov is 14.d5, when the bishop bites on granite. In his 2004 Everyman book on the main line Ruy Lopez, GM Glenn Flear concludes: "Panov's variation 13...Bb7 is out of sorts as both 14 d5 (gumming up Black's queenside minor pieces) and 14.Nf1 (not minding any opening of the centre) 14. . . Rac8 15.Re2 d5 are generally accepted as favourable for White."


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Daniel Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 169 Joined: 05/29/06 Gender:	Chigorin Ruy Lopez: Panov Variation 01/12/07 at 15:55:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hello everyone, I was wondering if the panov attack in the chigorin ruy lopez is considered playable. The variation is: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 0-0 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cd 13. cd Bb7 Most theoretical sources say it is dubious but in the only game with it on chesspublishing, Nigel Davies is semi-enthunsiastic about it. Does anyone have any opinons, comments, recommendations, warnings ,advice, theory etc. on this line?


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