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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #11 - 02/13/07 at 23:37:42
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I too hope Tony can provide coverage of the Kalashnikov.

In some respects I like McDonald's earlier book more than the Pinski & Aagaard because of its clear explanation of themes though the P & A book is not quite as dated. One thing which puzzles me is that McDonald suggests that in the lines after 6. c4 it is best for black to keep queens on to generate counterplay whereas P & A point to lines where black can equalise by offereing an early exchange of queens. Of course every rule has exceptions but I don't get the impression that P & A agree with McDonald. Any thoughts?

A new Starting Out Kalashnikov or Chess Explained Kalashnikov (or even a new edition of Winning with the Kalshnikov) would be welcome. I suspect the real problem is not sorting out the c4 lines which are interesting in their own right but the lines where white plays 6. N1c3. For example there is very little published commentary on the 7... Be7 lines which I suspect are sounder than the 7...b5 lines. It seems though Radjabov doesn't agree with this view.
  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #10 - 02/06/07 at 12:59:40
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I couldn't find the relevant Korneev games, but Anand--Radjabov might be a blow to Black? There's also 7 ...Be7 8 Nc4 Nf6!?, of course, delaying or omitting ...b5, but there doesn't seem to be much experience with this. Any further comments anyone? I hope Tony is reading this thread.
  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #9 - 02/06/07 at 12:33:59
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only play g3 after Nc4-e3. I saw a couple of Korneev wins like this - not sure if they are in the databases or not. (Bg5xf6 is also in the scheme of things)

The ..h5 thing is an interesting idea - I think there was a game Cheparinov-Spragett like that, not sure why Spragett variedd from his normal stuff there. There may be more to that position than meets the eye - personally I prefer White but I can appreciate he must play accurately and Black is not without chances. IF you can feel happy with these lines somehow then maybe this stuff is not so bad.




  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #8 - 02/06/07 at 12:25:46
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It's probably I who am uninformed here! -- I just did a quick database check and didn't look at playing strengths particularly. But in the 7 ...Be7 lines, at what point are you suggesting White play g3? -- if it comes before Black has castled he may have ...h5!? -- ? Maybe you could cite a game or two illustrating White's best plan? -- I'm wondering what factors there are in the position to render the white-square control more dangerous than in similar positions in the Sveshnikov.
  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #7 - 02/06/07 at 12:04:01
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[quote author=Michael Ayton link=1170472340/0#6 date=1170762708]8 ...Nge7 9 c4 Nd4 10 Be3 Nd5 11 cd g6 12 Bd3(?!) (12 Bd4!) Bg7. Whatever the status of this, I doubt if it'll put Radjabov off playing the Kalashnikov
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My investigations last time I looked left me very happy with Whites position in this line (actually 12.Bd3 I dont mind -later Bxd4 and Nc2 can come, as I remember Tiviakov paved the right path here)


[quote author=Michael Ayton link=1170472340/0#6 date=1170762708]
against 6 N1c3 a6 7 Na3 he's also played 7 ...Be7, a very popular line which has scored very well so far this century, and has even tried to 'rescue' 7 ...Be6, with 8 Nc4 Rb8!?. In general both theory and praxis in these lines seem to be moving very fast and it looks a fertile field for new discoveries.[/quote]

I´m not really believing in these lines - the White plan is too well mapped out - Nc4-e3 xd5, g3, Bg2 and White-square domination. Has this line really scored well for Black? Any high-level games I seem to remember were 1-0, then again maybe I am out of date and have missed the point of this stuff.

  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #6 - 02/06/07 at 11:51:48
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Radjabov is very certainly still playing the Kalashnikov move order. He made a quick draw with Carlsen at Corus using 8 ...Nge7 9 c4 Nd4 10 cb Nd5 11 cd Be7!?, a move P&A say is bad because of 12 Bc4. Presumably he's got something worked out ... (P&A give as their main line here 11 ...Bd7 12 Be3 Be7 13 Bd3 ab 14 0-0 Rb8 15 Bd4 ed 16 Nc2 0-0 17 Nd4 Qb6 18 Rc1 Rfc8!, unclear.)

Against 8 ...Nf6 9 c4, P&A give 9 ...Nd4 10 Bg5 (or 10 cb Nd5 transposing to 8 ...Nge7) Qa5 11 Bd2 Qd8 12 Bd3!? (12 cb Nd5 13 ed Qb6!; 12 Nf6 unclear) Nd5 13 cd g6!?, which is sort-of a tempo down on 8 ...Nge7 9 c4 Nd4 10 Be3 Nd5 11 cd g6 12 Bd3(?!) (12 Bd4!) Bg7. Whatever the truth about this line, I doubt if it'll put Radjabov off playing the Kalashnikov: against 6 N1c3 a6 7 Na3 he's also played 7 ...Be7, a very popular line which has scored very well so far this century, and has even tried to 'rescue' 7 ...Be6, with 8 Nc4 Rb8!?. In general both theory and praxis in the 6 N1c3 variation seem to be moving very fast and it looks a fertile field for new discoveries.
  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #5 - 02/06/07 at 09:06:45
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Is Radjabov still playing the Kalashnikov move -order? I dont think so as it just gives White extra options:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d6 6.N1c3! (worry about this) a6 7.N5a3 b5 8.Nd5

Now Black has a choice - play 8...Nf6 when we can transpose to Sveshikov with 9.Bg5, but White has the extra and extremely dangerous pawn sacrifice idea 9.c4!?

Otherwise 8...Nge7 9.c4 Nxd5 and last time I checked which was a couple of years ago White was doing extremely well after both recaptures. 

  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #4 - 02/05/07 at 20:19:35
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lnn2 wrote on 02/03/07 at 12:09:29:

7. N1c3 a6 8. Na3 f5, there was a nice game Nunn-Nataf in Understanding Chess Move by Move, but i seem to remember reading in Informator not too long ago that the piece sac in that game was refuted


It starts out as rook sac even and then Nataf just sacs almost everything. I have missed the refutation, but I think the initial pawn sac might still be playable for black. An improvement might be on blacks 13th move. Instead of Natafs Ng4, I started looking at Qa5, with the idea of winning the bishop pair and plant a bishop on h3 if whites plays the natural 14. 0-0. For example 14...Nh5 15. Nd5 Nxg3 16. fxg3 Bh3. Havn't had time to analyze it very much, just wanted to spring the idea for discussion. Of course white can opt for something like 14. Nc2 14. Qd2 but not 14. Bc2? because of blacks nice reply 14...d5! Which should grant black a clear advantage.
  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #3 - 02/05/07 at 12:11:53
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Thanks for your comments, Inn2. Yes, I too would love a Kalashnikov update from Tony -- hope we’re not the only ones! (A lot of people are reading the thread, anyway, so I hope there’ll be further contributions before long.)

Anand--Radjabov, what a game! My instinctive feeling is that if there’s any line in which …f5 can be justified it’s after 7 b3. The 8 …f5 treatment I’m not so sure about. Pinski & Aagaard give 9 ef Bf5 10 Bd3 Be6 11 0-0 Nf6 12 Bg5 0-0 13 Bf6! Rf6 14 Nc2 Qb6 15 Ne3 as good for White. Has anything better for Black been found here? I was unaware of any refutation to Nunn--Nataf -- if anyone knows of one I’d love to hear of it. P&A (p. 62) give here 10 …fg 11 hg followed by 0-0 and f2--f4 as good for White, while mentioning 10 Nc2 as unclear.

Thanks for your 7 Bd3 a6 suggestion -- I hadn’t got round to looking at this line but I can see it’s interesting. I’m puzzled by Nunn’s [i]NCO[/i] recommendation (p. 173) of 8 N5c3 Bg5 9 Nd2 Nf6 10 Nf1 Bc1 11 Rc1 here, since 11 …0-0 12 Ne3 Be6 13 0-0 transposes to the main line after 9 Bd3 (9 …Bg5 10 0-0 Bc1 11 Rc1 Nf6 12 Nc2 0-0) where White has played 13 Ne3(?!) instead of the surely critical and strong 13 Nd5 (when P&A suggest 13 …Bd5 14 cd Nb8, which to me looks less than thrilling). Do your sources say anything about this, and should Black play 13 …Nd4 (or 12 …Nd4) in preference to …Rc8?

At the moment in the 7 N1c3 (with Bd3) line I’m favouring 8 …Be6 9 Bd3 Nf6 10 0-0 Rc8 11 b3 0-0 12 Nc2 Ne8, but it seems Bd3 with b2--b3 might be a critical test of 8 …Be6.  I wonder what Neil McDonald thinks of all this -- last time I looked he had a fantastic score with the Kalashnikov. (Incidentally, Sveshnikov, truly a man who believes in his opening lines, is reputed to think that 4…e5 is an even better defence than 5 …e5!)
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #2 - 02/03/07 at 12:23:57
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Re Lutz-Kaeser, my feeling is that playing in "Najdorf style" (ie. ...Nf6 before ...f5) in these 6. c4 lines should be slightly better for White, though i haven't really looked at these positions closely.
Hence you can see above my preference for an earlier f5...
  
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Re: Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
Reply #1 - 02/03/07 at 12:09:29
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hello, as a sometime Sveshnikov player i've also been inspired by radjabov recently, so been dabbling with the Kalashnikov, the recommendation in Experts v. Sicilian was none too convincing iirc. 

Tony if you are reading this, please cover the Kalashnikov in the next update  Smiley

Anyway, here's what i figured was best after checking Informator/CBMs (Chesspub coverage so far is  unsatisfactory, sorry Tony !! think fed was too sniffy about the Kalashnikov in general): 

after 6. c4 Be7,

7. b3, play 7... f5 and follow Anand-Radjabov Dortmund 2003 (NIC yearbook 69 survey) , 
7. N1c3 a6 8. Na3 f5, there was a nice game Nunn-Nataf in Understanding Chess Move by Move, but i seem to remember reading in Informator not too long ago that the piece sac in that game was refuted, if that's really the case, Black can fall back on Moiseenko's 9. Bd3 f4 10. g3 fxg3 which is probably playable (instead of Nataf's ambitious 10... Nf6), what concerns me more is the slow plan with 10. Nc2 Nf6 11. b3 0-0 12. Bb2 Kh8 13. Qe2 Be6 14. Nd5 Rc8 15. 0-0-0 b5 as in De Firmian-Shabalov USA Ch. 1998. 
7. Bd3 a6 8. N5c3 Bg5 (Dominguez-Nataf 2001) is a simple solution.

If my memory is correct, Pinski was pessimistic about 6. N1c3 a6 7. Na3 b5 8. Nd5 Nge7, recommending instead to transpose to the Sveshnikov, quite curious for a book on the Kalashnikov  Huh
  
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Kalashnikov theory after Pinski and Aagaard
02/03/07 at 03:12:19
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Stimulated by Radjabov’s adoption of it, I’ve been taking a look at the Kalashnikov lately, and in particular trying to get my head round the complex move-order issues in the 6 c4 Be7 line, which no book on the opening really addresses. This led me to wonder if there have been any interesting theoretical developments lately -- anyone know about this, or have a view on which White tries are the most dangerous?

Related to this, I’ve a specific question, which concerns the position reached in the game Lutz--Kaeser (see ChessPub) after White’s twelfth move. This, which might represent one of White’s best anti-Kalashnikov lines, can be reached in various ways. Here are some examples, with Black alternatives in brackets:

(1) 7 Bd3 Be6 8 0-0 Rc8 9 b3 Nf6 10 N1c3 a6 11 Na3 0-0 12 Nc2 (Lutz--Kaeser)
(2) 7 Bd3 Nf6 8 0-0 0-0 9 N1c3 a6 10 Na3 Be6 [10 …Bg4] 11 Nc2 Rc8 12 b3
(3) 7 b3 Nf6 8 Bd3 0-0 [8 …Bg4] 9 0-0 Be6 [9 …Bg4] 10 N1c3 a6 11 Na3 Rc8 12 Nc2
(4) 7 N1c3 a6 8 Na3 Be6 9 Bd3 Nf6 [9 ...Bg5] 10 0-0 Rc8 [10 …0-0 11 b3/Nc2 Nd7!?] 11 b3 0-0 12 Nc2
(5) 7 N1c3 a6 8 Na3 Be6 9 Bd3 Nf6 [9 ...Bg5] 10 0-0 Rc8 [10 …0-0] 11 Nc2!? 0-0 [11 …Na5!?] 12 b3
(6) 7 N1c3 a6 8 Na3 Be6 9 Nc2 Rc8 [9 …Bg5] 10 b3 Nf6 11 Bd3 0-0 12 0-0

My question is, should Black be OK in this position, or should he (in every case or in some) choose the alternatives? And if the former, what’s the best continuation? Here are the moves that have been seen, along with my thinking on them (I’ll refer to McDonald 1995 as ‘M’ and Pinski & Aagaard 2001 as ‘P’, followed by the page):

(A) 12 …Nd7 (?!). This looks wrong since after 13 Bb2 Black presumably has nothing better than 13 …Nc5 transposing to Ivanchuk--Kramnik which P (17) says is good for White. (P is citing line (6) above, but with 12 Bb2 instead of 12 0-0, which it commends in a note -- after 12 Bb2 it gives 12 …Qa5, instead of 12 …Nc5?!, as equal.) 

(B) 12 …Ne8. This might be sounder since now 13 Bb2 Bg5 14 Nd5 Ne7! would transpose to Tiviakov--Sveshnikov, which M (74) thinks is fine for Black. Can White usefully avoid the transposition, e.g. with 13/14 Ne3 (or 14 Re1 idea 15 Ne3), or not?

(C) 12 …b5!?. This was Kaeser’s choice. Play continued 13 cb Na7 (had White’s KB been on e2, 13 …ab would have been strong; is the …b5 idea just as good after Bd3, or is it suspect?) 14 Bb2 Nb5 15 Nb5 ab 16 Qe2. Fed, on ChessPub, in line with his general hostility towards the opening implies Black was suffering throughout this game, but is this a fair summation? He looked to be holding until a blunder on move 37 and had choices prior to that.

Lines (2) and (4) above suggest a couple of additional questions. Though it mentions 11 …Rc8, P (98) gives as its main line 11 …Nd7 12 b3 Nc5 13 Be2 f5 14 ef Bf5 16 Nd5 (Milos--Hernandez), which it calls unclear. (It’s to this that 10 ...0-0 in line (4) above leads.) What do you think? In the game Hernandez found inspired counterplay, but engines don’t like this line and neither did Fed. A lot of Fed’s anti-Kalashnikov comments seem rather superficial, but Black has actually made a poor score here (including after 13 Bb2, letting the KB go, though 13 …f5 should be OK?). That said, McDonald and others have tried 12 …Bg5!? here with success -- is this unmentioned by P because it’s seen as less reliable/accurate, or just because 12 …Nc5 is good/best?

I’m sure that, in some of the above lines, the bracketed alternatives offer more dynamic play, but it seems that with line (4), except for the (inferior?) 9 ...Bg5 White can force either Lutz--Kaeser or (excepting 12 ...Bg5) Milos--Hernandez, so Black must be prepared. One thing I’ve learnt is that after 7 Bd3 as well as 7 b3, delaying …Be6 gives Black more flexible choices. It’s curious, though, that after 7 b3, P doesn’t mention 7 …Be6 at all! (M (72) does, giving 8 Bd3 a6 9 N5c3 as unclear, but 8 …Nf6 here as best.)
  
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