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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #21 - 03/07/17 at 07:16:22
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Why is this posted under "King's Indian"?
  
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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #20 - 03/07/17 at 06:02:38
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Hello.

"how to beat the Sicilian defence" by Gawain Jones (Everyman Chess 2011) has a couple of fairly nice King's Indian attack chapters (he recommends 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d3). Nice reading if you happen to come across the book somewhere.

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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #19 - 03/06/17 at 20:51:50
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Neil McDonald's KIA Move By Move is the first choice.
  

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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #18 - 03/06/17 at 20:19:09
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Resurrecting an old thread, what is the current state of KIA books and which are the top 1 or 2 a newbie to this opening should pick up?
  
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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #17 - 03/28/07 at 18:41:52
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Yussupov wrote some interesting about an opening repertoire behind the KIA in Yussupov/Dvoretzky 'Effektives Eröffnungstraining'.

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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #16 - 03/28/07 at 18:26:36
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I have the books mentioned previously, other then Emms' and would add KIA by Henley and Maddox as my favourite. I enjoyed about 5 years playing the KIA, first from 1.Nf3 and then after 1.e4, as I built up my e4 repertoire.
After 1.Nf3 the most annoying line I encountered was the symmetrical which is difficult to get anything against. I guess d4 going into the White side of a fianchetto KID is best.
Playing the KIA after e4 lets you build from e.g. an open game and KIA against the rest, adding lines against each semi-open game as you become interested in them.
  
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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #15 - 03/24/07 at 19:16:48
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He still has good annotations to a KIA game in 60 memorable, which you should own anyway.
  
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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #14 - 03/24/07 at 17:01:47
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OK, fair point, Jenny and Ptero.

Well from the White games of Fisher in Mega 2007, there are less than 20 with him going Nf3 and into a KIA, and all but a couple of simul games are from 56-57.

There are only 3 total from him using the KIA vs the French after that period, '66 vs Durao, '67 vs Myagmurson and '68 vs Geller. Superb displays of his skill though they are, that is it.

There are more examples of him using it against the Caro-Kann, but still single digits.

So my point is that after his teens, Fisher didn't emply the KIA except as a very occasional surprise weapon.



  

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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #13 - 03/24/07 at 15:40:35
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Also not from Fischer's "teens", I recall Fischer-Geller, 1968 (1-0) (that's Uzi Geller, veteran Israeli master and former Israeli Champion - not to be confused with Efim Geller) as a model KIA game.
  
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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #12 - 03/24/07 at 11:10:52
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JEH wrote on 03/23/07 at 21:57:01:
Jenny wrote on 03/23/07 at 17:12:43:
So the best way to learn how to play this opening is to study the games of those strong GMs that had used this opening before. (Fischer is one of them)


All the books quote the Fischer games, and excellent though they we're, he played the KIA in his teens and then abandoned it which to me says a lot more about the opening and what he though of it.


Well, Fischer-Miagmasuren was played in 1967 and he definitely wasn't a teen in 1967. Besides, there can be many reasons for a player to play another opening/line. With players like Fischer, playing something else instead of the KIA could only mean that he has found another opening/line which gives him more chances to obtain the advantage than the KIA has to offer. Not to mention the question of suitability.
  
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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #11 - 03/23/07 at 21:57:01
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Jenny wrote on 03/23/07 at 17:12:43:
So the best way to learn how to play this opening is to study the games of those strong GMs that had used this opening before. (Fischer is one of them)


All the books quote the Fischer games, and excellent though they we're, he played the KIA in his teens and then abandoned it which to me says a lot more about the opening and what he though of it.
  

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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #10 - 03/23/07 at 17:12:43
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Thr problem with the KIA, as pointed out by others above, is that there are so many different variations and plans that it is not easy to find a source that explains all the available ideas of the opening well. Especially given the fact that the KIA can be played against virtually every opening. So the best way to learn how to play this opening is to study the games of those strong GMs that had used this opening before. (Fischer is one of them) Instead of variations, concentrate on understanding the general pawn structures of the different setups, which square is best for which piece and why and the common ideas that are frequently used in this opening. (Eg. a4 combined with Nc4, Nh2 and f4/Ng4, h4-h5 followed by Ng5 and Qh5 after e5, the tactical idea Bf4 followed by Nxd5 exd5 e6 when the black queen is on c7, etc...) Last but not least, also have a look at which setup is the KIA least effective against and why. (It's least effective against the Caro-Kann setup with an early e5, for example...while it is quite effective against the French setup because white can play e5, etc...)
  
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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #9 - 03/18/07 at 22:02:28
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I only play at freechess.org.  Is there anyone there that I should try to observe?  I am interested in learning how to play both King's Indian Attack and KID.

I've ordered Emm's book as well as Gallagher's books on KID.  Hopefully in a few weeks I'll have a better idea about what I'm trying to accomplish and how to properly react.

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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #8 - 02/05/07 at 20:13:38
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Jorg Hickl's handle on ICC is hickl and Norwood's is DaveNogood.

Take a look at their finger notes while you're at it, especially Norwood's, its hilarious.

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Re: Best King's Indian attack book?
Reply #7 - 02/05/07 at 19:35:44
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TopNotch wrote on 02/05/07 at 00:38:14:
AcuWill wrote on 02/03/07 at 13:56:07:
I'm looking for a book for someone new to the opening but willing to work and isn't shy of heavy reading and thinking.  I would rank my skill level as a sharply rising lower to mid club level player.  I would like a book heavy in explanations to the thought process rather than heavy on variations.  Thanks.


I think this query really belongs in the Flank Openings section, as this section is devoted to the Kings Indian Defence.

Nevertheless one way to tackle your problem is to choose a strong player that uses the Kings Indian Attack often and try to model your repertoire accordingly. Two such players I believe are (GM) Jorg Hickl and retired(GM) David Norwood but there are many others to choose from.

Hope that helps.

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Yes, that is good advice, and it is becoming my preferred method of becoming acquainted with an opening.  Does anyone know Hickl's or Norwood's alias on ICC, or any other FM/IM/GM on ICC with a KIA based repertoire?  (Because it's so amorphous, I haven't found a good way to do ECO searches on the KIA.)

Also, Morozevic has a few KIA games to his credit (some of which can be found on this site).  Also, Chigorin played it in his match against Tarrasch.  Don't know if it was part of his repertoire throughout his career.

I also see references to Dvoretsky's book on opening training whenever the KIA comes up.  Apparently he has a good chapter on opening preparation or something and he uses the KIA as an example.  I don't have this book, but maybe someone else can comment on it.
  
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