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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #49 - 03/16/08 at 15:51:48
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Matemax wrote on 02/23/08 at 15:07:07:
One of the most spectacular Berlin games I've ever seen was just recently played at Aeroflot open.  Etc., etc.


Perhaps White is winning after 34.Rxe7+, I am not sure;  but Black could have resisted better with 34...Kf8, it seems to me.
  

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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #48 - 03/15/08 at 15:08:50
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November 14th 2007

'An Unusual Answer to the Berlin Defence'

@Chesslecture.com

is what u be looking for.

  
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #47 - 03/08/08 at 12:25:47
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Nieztsche, agreed, the Kramnik DVD is just marvellous on his two Berlin games and the philosophy of the opening. Bareev's book on the matches too is interesting, not least to compare.

Matemax; great game, thanks for posting. (sighs and rushes away to update...).

I can't find this chesslecture.com thing either. If anyone does find it and can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. (I can find the site, I mean, but not the lecture in question).
  
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #46 - 02/23/08 at 15:07:07
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One of the most spectacular Berlin games I've ever seen was just recently played at Aeroflot open.

Hou Yifan (2527) - V. Laznicka (2595), Aeroflot open, 2008

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.O-O Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Nc3 Ne7 10.h3 Ng6 11.Bg5+ Ke8 12.Rad1 Be6 13.a3 h6 14.Be3 Be7

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Diagram: Hou starts with an active plan

15.Nd4 Nxe5 16.Nxe6 fxe6 17.Bd4 Nc4 18.Bxg7 Rh7 19.Bd4 e5 20.Be3 Nxb2 21.Rb1 Bxa3 22.Ne4 Rf7 23.Bxh6 b5 24.f4 exf4 25.Bxf4 Nc4 26.g4 a5 27.g5 a4 28.Rbe1 Be7 29.h4 a3 30.g6 Rf5 31.Ng3 Rxf4 32.Rxf4 a2 33.Rfe4 a1(Q)

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Diagram: not an usual position for the Berlin

34.Rxe7+ Kd8 35.g7 Qd4+ 36.Kg2 Qd5+ 37.Kh3 Nd6 38.R1e6 Qxe6+ 39.Rxe6 Kd7 40.Rg6 Rg8 41.h5 1-0

I think this game shows the potential of chess  Wink - The somehow "boring" Berlin defence becomes a battle place.
  
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Chess Lecture.com--Bryan Smith lecture
Reply #45 - 02/23/08 at 01:48:21
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[quote author=Bibs link=1171536587/30#33 date=1198918252]John Cox,

A considered lecture by Bryan Smith @ ChessLecture.com

on
e4 e5
Nf3 Nc6
Bb5 Nf6
00 Ne4
Qe2

which is very much worth a look in terms of your forthcoming Berlin text.

Bibs,
I checked out a sample video on Chess Lecture.com and liked it very much so I'll sign up. But I never could find this Bryan Smith lecture on the Berlin. What date was it?

                          Thanks, CMA
  
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #44 - 02/23/08 at 01:23:39
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kylemeister wrote on 02/01/08 at 22:56:17:
Indeed, Sherzer was Berlin when Berlin wasn't cool.  Sort of like Bisguier 50 years ago.  In one database, Sherzer's score with it (as Black after 4...Nxe4) is +8 -1 =4 ...


As I recall, Sherzer championed the unorthodox idea for White of 9 or 10 Bf4, feeling that the stereotyped development of b3 followed by Bb2 could be handled fairly easily by Black.
  
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #43 - 02/01/08 at 22:56:17
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Indeed, Sherzer was Berlin when Berlin wasn't cool.  Sort of like Bisguier 50 years ago.  In one database, Sherzer's score with it (as Black after 4...Nxe4) is +8 -1 =4 ...
  
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #42 - 02/01/08 at 22:31:55
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IMJohnCox:
I don't know if you were aware of this (though you probably were) but Kramnik actually talks a lot about the Berlin in his DVD "My Path to the Top".  He  spends quite some time (almost 80 minutes over several clips) discussing his preparation and why he chose this defense for the match. He also gets into move order nuances and the ideas behind them.  Not to mention his comments on games 1, 3, and 9.
Its great stuff.

Anyway, I learned a lot from it, though it might not be too informative for you. But it's nice to hear it from Kramnik and it could be a good resource for you. 
Besides, you might be able to pull a quote or two.   Wink

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ps - by the way, the Berlin chapter of Kaufman's book was mostly co-authored by GM Alex Sherzer.  People tend to not credit him in their posts, so I thought I would point that out.
  

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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #41 - 02/01/08 at 17:01:59
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Tim, Kaufman's coverage is of 9...Ke8 and 10...Be7. So all the lines he covers are in the ...Be7 chapter. As a move independent of the main 3 ways of developing I'm not big on it, no. You're right it used to be played a lot that way in the 50's and 60's, but I think there's good reason why it isn't any more.


(Actually ...Be7 is normally introduced by 9....Ke8. So it was misleading of me to call it the 9...Be7 chapter; sorry about that)
  
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #40 - 02/01/08 at 16:53:41
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John,

It seems you are not too big on 9...Ke8. That is a very popular move - the most popular in ChessGames (I haven't got access to Mega here) - and was recommended by Kaufman in The Chess Advantage In Black And White. I guess it will usually transpose, but still ...
  
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #39 - 02/01/08 at 16:37:33
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IMJohnCox wrote on 02/01/08 at 12:12:56:
I haven't finished it yet, that's why!

The contents will look something like this:...



This looks like an incredible book!

I've been playing around with the berlin for about a year, and some of the ideas I see played in high level games (like when to play ...g5) I have a lot of trouble understanding.

I will be buying this for sure!!
  
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Reply #38 - 02/01/08 at 16:00:46
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Sounds like this is going to be just my favorite kind of opening book, with lots of explanations of themes first, and only then a presentation of concrete theory. It is so much easier to remember concrete moves if you already understand the reason they are played!

One of the things that annoys me the most is when opening book authors pretend to give a strategic introduction, but spend only 4-5 pages so that little strategic depth is possible, often ending up with just a catalog of typical pawn structures. A real strategic (and tactical) overview like John is planning here should be a lot more common! (Although I can appreciate that in books with a very high-rated target audience it may sometimes be redundant.) Studying the typical endgames of an opening first is also very sensible and has been recommended by russian trainers, Korchnoi, Aagaard etc. etc.

Really looking forward to this!  Smiley
  

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New Cox book on ideas Behind the Berlin C67
Reply #37 - 02/01/08 at 14:16:01
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[quote author=IMJohnCox link=1171536587/30#36 date=1201867976]I haven't finished it yet, that's why!

The contents will look something like this:

1      Introduction, bibliography, brief positional introduction and illustrative game (1 game)
2      Typical endings arising (Ps, Ns, same bishop, oppo bishop, B v N, N v QB, N v KB, Rs, N/N v N/QB, N/BvB/B, N/B v N/QB, R/N v R/QB, R/B v R/KB, R/B v R/QB, R/R v R/R, N/N/B v B/B/N) – haven’t counted but about 50 fragments
3      Typical middlegame/tactical themes (for White e6 break, sacrifice of c2 pawn, N on d5, N on h5, breaking the blockade with g4, meeting …a5 with a3 or a4?, and a whole lot more I can’t call to mind at work, for Black; taking advantage of premature g4, when…Bb4xc3 is a good idea, …g5 or …g6, which exchanges to aim for, disquisitions on which piece should go where, and so forth. (also about 50 fragments)

[That sound quite crap like that, but I have a rather better list of themes at home. Both 2 and 3 are on the Berlin Endgame only)]

4      Theory of 9…Bd7 (and …Bd7 systems in general). (about 10 games)
5      Theory of 9 …Ne7 (and …Ne7 systems in general).  (about ten games)
6      Theory of 9 …Be7 and …Be7 systems in general. (about ten games)
7      Theory of Black’s ninth-move alternatives (9….Be6, 9….a5, 9…h6 or 9….Ke8 insofar as they are independent, 9 others) (about ten games)
8      Theory of White’s alternatives between moves 4 and 8 (4 d3/d4/Qe2/Bxc6, 5 Re1/Qe2, 6 dxe5 (about 15 games, I think – this section is repertoire only, from Black’s point of view.)

John, it sounds like a fantastic opening tome and just what is needed for the Berlin RL. Unlike the situation in such sharp lines as the Botvinnik Semi-Slav or much of the Sicilian, the Berlin RL is more dependent on themes and ideas than exact move sequences.
    So it looks now as if the book will be available for sale in 2/08?
     C67 is my main 1...e5 defense, so I will be looking forward to your new opus.
  I do hope you give enough space to 9...Bd7, Kramnik's original move to revive the Defense. It was never refuted; I still think it is the strongest move for Black, though it has been largely superceded by 9...Ne7.
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Re: Books Covering the Ideas Behind the Berlin ?
Reply #36 - 02/01/08 at 12:12:56
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I haven't finished it yet, that's why!

The contents will look something like this:

1      Introduction, bibliography, brief positional introduction and illustrative game (1 game)
2      Typical endings arising (Ps, Ns, same bishop, oppo bishop, B v N, N v QB, N v KB, Rs, N/N v N/QB, N/BvB/B, N/B v N/QB, R/N v R/QB, R/B v R/KB, R/B v R/QB, R/R v R/R, N/N/B v B/B/N) – haven’t counted but about 50 fragments
3      Typical middlegame/tactical themes (for White e6 break, sacrifice of c2 pawn, N on d5, N on h5, breaking the blockade with g4, meeting …a5 with a3 or a4?, and a whole lot more I can’t call to mind at work, for Black; taking advantage of premature g4, when…Bb4xc3 is a good idea, …g5 or …g6, which exchanges to aim for, disquisitions on which piece should go where, and so forth. (also about 50 fragments)

[That sound quite crap like that, but I have a rather better list of themes at home. Both 2 and 3 are on the Berlin Endgame only)]

4      Theory of 9…Bd7 (and …Bd7 systems in general). (about 10 games)
5      Theory of 9 …Ne7 (and …Ne7 systems in general).  (about ten games)
6      Theory of 9 …Be7 and …Be7 systems in general. (about ten games)
7      Theory of Black’s ninth-move alternatives (9….Be6, 9….a5, 9…h6 or 9….Ke8 insofar as they are independent, 9 others) (about ten games)
8      Theory of White’s alternatives between moves 4 and 8 (4 d3/d4/Qe2/Bxc6, 5 Re1/Qe2, 6 dxe5 (about 15 games, I think – this section is repertoire only, from Black’s point of view.)
  
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John Cox' new book "The Berlin Wall"
Reply #35 - 02/01/08 at 01:04:41
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John,
I got a notice from Amazon about your new book,"The Berlin Wall: The Variation That Brought Down Kasparov" but it's not available there or anywhere else I could find.
   I haven't found any reviews of it. Could you give us a table of contents?
                             CMA
  
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