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Re: Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
Reply #7 - 02/26/07 at 13:34:56
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Willempie wrote on 02/22/07 at 10:42:19:
Dont you just get a bad advance after 4.e5? Cant say I find b5 a useful addition as opposed to Nc3.


In his notes to his game with Gurgenidze Tal claims Gurgenidze was planning to play 4...a5 in reply to 
4) e5. So, still another line for you to analyse!  Grin

On a more serious note, my very old sources give 4) Bd3 dxe4 5) Bxe4 Nf6 6) Bf3 b4 7) Na4 as in Kupreichik-Bellon 1977 as the way to play it.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
Reply #6 - 02/22/07 at 14:55:35
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lnn2 wrote on 02/22/07 at 14:23:11:
hmm... can't say i've seen White getting a knight on g3 in the French often!
anyway Black is not obliged to castle early into an attack. 

But Black does indeed get to play Ba6 after blocking the diagonal with Nc6: 7. c3 Qb6 8. Nf3 Nc6 9. Bd3 Ba6 and then Black looks fine to me.  Huh

Just saw that 7.Qg4 is also an option (yes I am a poisoned pawn winawer addict Wink) with the idea of leaving the d4-pawn as probable casualty of war, while charging in on the kingside. Dont know if it is better than 4.a3, but it certainly looks better than its cousin (4.Qg4) in the advanced french.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
Reply #5 - 02/22/07 at 14:23:11
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hmm... can't say i've seen White getting a knight on g3 in the French often!
anyway Black is not obliged to castle early into an attack. 

But Black does indeed get to play Ba6 after blocking the diagonal with Nc6: 7. c3 Qb6 8. Nf3 Nc6 9. Bd3 Ba6 and then Black looks fine to me.  Huh
  
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Re: Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
Reply #4 - 02/22/07 at 13:27:14
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lnn2 wrote on 02/22/07 at 11:45:46:
4. e5 b4 5. Nce2 e6 6. Ng3 c5 looks like a good advanced French for Black no?
to my great surprise, my computer doesn't think 3.... b5 is any worse than main line Najdorfs!  Roll Eyes

I dont think it looks very good after 7.c3. You just get an advanced where you spent 2 tempi kicking the knigh to the kingside, where it often goes anyway. The only 2 upsides are that Ba6 (not directly of course) is available and the b-file can be opened. However I feel that in this particular case they are not really an advantage and more of an additional problem.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
Reply #3 - 02/22/07 at 11:45:46
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4. e5 b4 5. Nce2 e6 6. Ng3 c5 looks like a good advanced French for Black no?
to my great surprise, my computer doesn't think 3.... b5 is any worse than main line Najdorfs!  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
Reply #2 - 02/22/07 at 10:42:19
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Dont you just get a bad advance after 4.e5? Cant say I find b5 a useful addition as opposed to Nc3.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
Reply #1 - 02/22/07 at 06:21:00
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Odd that (fairly) recent encyclopaedias (ECO, NCO) don't mention 3...b5.  I seem to recall an earlier edition of ECO (back in the '80s, when it was still authored by various GM specialists) endorsing the way Tal played.

  
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Caro-Kann 3. Nc3 b5
02/22/07 at 05:00:34
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Can anyone tell me the "official" refutation of 3. Nc3 b5!? ? There is no mention of it in Khalifman's Anand3 or McDonald's Classical Caro Kann book, while Gallagher (Starting Out) merely states "4. a3 is White's most popular reply. Then after 4... dxe4 5. Nxe4 we have a slightly weird version of whichever variation Black chooses to play". 

5... Bf5 now seems good to me though, when White can no longer castle queenside. Presumably White can later probe with a subsequent a4 but this seems almost like a loss of tempo?!
I seem to remember Tal-Gurgenidze being cited but that game is for sure not entirely clear...

Any thoughts? think NIC recently had an article on 3... a6?! but imho 3... b5 may well just be a souped up version!
  
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