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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #8 - 03/15/07 at 20:46:19
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Thanks for your replies. I think I'll buy the book.  Incidentally, I notice that James Rizzitano is writing a QGD Explained book for publication in September, so that could well be a good buy on this subject, too. 

@Inn2 - The Slav? How dare you!  I'd continue my lame attempts to essay a QGA or Dutch rather than risk the Exchange Slav...  Wink
  
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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #7 - 03/15/07 at 04:40:47
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The only book worth reading for me is Tactics in the Chess Opening 4. Lovely games which summarise the state of the art! But it may not contain enough words for some. 

@Slates: Incidentally I was just looking at 5. Bf4 0-0 6. e3 Nbd7 7. a3 in CBM 116, a survey by GM Schandorff (he says White can play for two results), while 7. c5 is covered latest NIC yearbook 82. Black's position isn't fun to play in either case, and there's an easier way to get a draw: Kramnik's 8... Bg6 in the Slav!
  
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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #6 - 03/15/07 at 01:29:17
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I don't see any specific coverage of the Alatortsev.  It is only mentioned as an "exception" to the usual move orders when White plays Bf4.

Regarding the Tartakower, McDonald gives Topolov - Kramnik, Linares 1998, as a stem game, which saw 11...c6.  Of 11...c5, McDonald writes: I recall 11...c5 occurring in some of the Karpov-Kasparov encounters.... Although I can sympathize with the Ks wanting to play like this in a World Championship match, where every draw with Black is worth its weight in gold, I think this would be a hideous way for the rest of us to defend the position.  Zero winning chances and maybe 15% losing chances...."

I have Sadler's book, too, and I like it very much.  I think McDonald's book is a bit more superficial, with broad coverage of the Tartakower, Lasker's, Classical, Cambridge Springs, Exchange, and 5.Bf4.  It does contain some recent games -- quite a few from 2004, some from 2005 and 2006 --  but I would harly call it theoretical.  I would feel fine recommending it to someone who knows little about the QGD, but it may be a bit remedial for someone who has some experience.
  
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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #5 - 03/14/07 at 22:13:49
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Regarding McDonald's book, which I'm thinking of buying, does he spend much time with the Alatortsev? (1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Be7 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bf4) ? When I play the QGD I play it this way and usually use 5...Nf6 rather than 5...c6, although neither Janjgava or Sadler (or GK's DVD, for that matter, which iirc concentrated on 5...c6, rather oddly given GK's use of 5...Nf6) convinced me of the best way for Black to go here. 

Other than that I like the Tartakower, but again could never really decide on 11...c6 or 11...c5 in the mainline, and couldn't find sufficient encouragement/guidance on either approach via the other books mentioned despite the theoretical coverage.  I'm guessing McDonald doesn't delve into this too much as the book is obviously not as theoretical as, say, Janjgava (!), but instead of the variation-laden approach does he have space to talk about respective strategies for example?

My final issue with the QGD was that 5.Bf4 seemed to be hard to face, and I liked 5...0-0 6.e3 Nbd7 although Sadler gave it only a few lines of coverage and I didn't feel well prepared to play it in view of the amount of White players who seem to use it nowadays. Does McDonald look at this line at all?  Janjgava doesn't cover it at all. 

Thanks if you can answer any of the above, or simply tell me anything else about the book.  I like McDonald as an author, and wonder of the book is a worthwhile addition to Sadler's excellent title, which I've recently looked at and been tempted to try some more QGDs after a period of infidelity... Wink
  
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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #4 - 03/13/07 at 15:58:18
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kylemeister wrote on 03/11/07 at 17:26:54:
I've also seen at least one good review of Neil McDonald's recent book in the Starting Out series.   


IMO, McDonald's book on the QGD is one of the best in the entire Starting Out series.  Recently, the series has been sort of listing toward theory and away from explanation, but McDonald's book is more in-line with the original intent of the series, as I understand it, and does a very good job of explaining thematic piece placments, pawn structures, strategic ideas, etc.
  
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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #3 - 03/12/07 at 22:35:10
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Basically the opening can be categorized as a classical opening. It wants to set up a tough and solid roadblock infront of white and first after reaching equality you go for the win.

Remember what Tal said :"When the game is equal black is better!!"

Learn the QG from Sadlers book. The book is very instructive. If someone is not able to understand the QG after reading the book...then there is probably not much to hope for.

see inside the book 

http://www.amazon.com/Queens-Gambit-Declined-Matthew-Sadler/dp/1857442563/ref=pd...

After you feel that you understand the opening VERY well then I recommend GM Lasha Jangjavas book

QGD&Catalan for black. A repertoire for black. Very solid stuff.  But poor in explaining ideas. Sadlers book give you the ideas.

He reccomends the move order  1.d4 d5 2. c4 e6  3.Nc3 Be7 to avoid giving white the pleasure to play the best form of the exchange variation. Even though he also has a chapter on the QGExchange variation with 3...Nf6. 

If white would find a stronge move against his recommended variations.....dont worry...Jangjava backs up with alternatives.

A book for serious players.


Here you have a link 

http://www.gambitbooks.com/books/qgcat.html

There you can find a sample PDF file to look inside the book.

Then you have Kasparovs DVD on the QGD. Very interesting. He says the openng is very and important.
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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #2 - 03/11/07 at 17:26:54
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I've also seen at least one good review of Neil McDonald's recent book in the Starting Out series.  In general for opening X you might consider a book in either the "Starting Out:  the X" or the "The X Explained" series.  In other words, I second Markovich's common reply to such general questions:  buy a chess book.
  
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Re: I'm learning the QGD.
Reply #1 - 03/11/07 at 16:37:19
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I'm sorry for evading your question a bit, but Mathew Sadler wrote an excellent book on the subject a few years ago, called (I think) The Queen's Gambit Declined.  It'll probably answer all your questions.
  
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I'm learning the QGD.
03/11/07 at 15:24:50
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What are the key ideas and variations of the opening?
  
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