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Re: The current statut of the Traxler
Reply #6 - 03/25/07 at 10:36:13
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Here is something to amuse the Traxler fans:
A.Karpov-N. Short, 11-01-2007

After the moves:
1.e4,e5
2.Nf3,Nc6
3.Bc4,....

3......, Nf6?  Hey, didnt Short put a questionmark behind this move last year?
4.Ng5!         Exclamation mark by Short
4......, Bc5    Traxler ! (4...d5? says Short)
5.Bxf7+,Ke7 White safest option according to many forum guests
6.Bd5 , d6


r1bq3r/ppp1k1pp/2np1n2/2bBp1N1/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQ -

From here I will replace Short as a commentator Wink:

7.0-0 ?,
                   7.c3 is probably best, while 7.d3 is playable
                   7.Nxf7? is not advisable: 7....Qf8 8.Nxh8??,Bxf2+ with a much improved Traxler -+

7..........,Bg4!  The refutation
8.Qe1??         Whites only try is 8.Nf3,Nd4: for instance 9.Bc4,Nxf3 10.gxf3,Bh3 11.Re1,Qe8!
                     with some advantage to black


r2q3r/ppp1k1pp/2np1n2/2bBp1N1/4P1b1/8/PPPP1PPP/RNB1QRK1 b - -


8.........,Nxd5?  Here Nigel misses a move that provides excellent winning chances.
                     Was this move found by a supercomputer? Nay:
                     the best move in this position was allready found in the game
                     Bahr-Augustutat, DDR, 1971



So two experienced GM's succeeded to get 3 moves out of 4 wrong!
We'll not follow this game furhter

Instead lets look how they handled the position in 1971!
Bahr-Augustat, 1971 DDR


8.........., Nd4!!    Threatens Nxc2 among other things....
9.Bb3    , h6!
10.Nf7   
10........, Qd7
     Black is allready preparing to deliver mate on the white squares
11.h3                Note that after 11.Nxh8,Nf3+! black wins:
                        12.Kh1,Nxe1 --- 12.gxf,Bxf and mate is unavoidable.
11........., Bxh3! Another power move
12.Qe3  , Bg4!    and white resigned (black could also have played 12....Nxb3 13.Qxb3,Be6-+)

I am sure white was glad to have chosen a safe variation  Wink
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Re: The current statut of the Traxler
Reply #5 - 03/22/07 at 20:13:23
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ArKheiN wrote on 03/22/07 at 11:52:40:
How do you know that it isn't played anymore on corr at good level? And there still exist thematics tournament.


And I own the magazines of NBC of the last 20 years. Previously the Traxler popped up regularly. Not long ago though I read an article in this magazine that those gambits are regarded too dangerous to play in qualification tournaments. The same happened to the Latvian and the BDG.
But you are right - I forgot about the thematics. I always have regarded these "for fun", not "for real". My personal opinion.
  

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Re: The current statut of the Traxler
Reply #4 - 03/22/07 at 12:39:54
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ArKheiN wrote on 03/22/07 at 11:52:40:
How do you know that it isn't played anymore on corr at good level? And there still exist thematics tournament.


There are corr databases. MNb maybe checked UltraCorr or ICCF databases.
http://www.chessmail.com/sales/ultracorr-info.html
http://gamesarchive.iccf.com/
  

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Re: The current statut of the Traxler
Reply #3 - 03/22/07 at 12:32:54
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MNb wrote on 03/22/07 at 01:40:18:
As you might know, using computers is allowed when playing for ICCF (email and webserver to be precise). In pre-silicon age the Traxler was quite popular in corr. chess. Nowadays it has completely disappeared.
Says something, I suppose.


I didn't know that.  But I don't think Black gets full comp after 5. Bxf7+ Ke7  6. Bd5 or 6. Bb3.  I suppose there must be a thread or two here devoted to this.

Personally I have less confidence 5. Nxf7.  I suspect it doesn't produce a White advantage, but it gives Black so much of what he wants.  The win would have to be quite convincing before I could be convinced to take a swim in those waters.
  

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Re: The current statut of the Traxler
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How do you know that it isn't played anymore on corr at good level? And there still exist thematics tournament.
  
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Re: The current statut of the Traxler
Reply #1 - 03/22/07 at 01:40:18
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As you might know, using computers is allowed when playing for ICCF (email and webserver to be precise). In pre-silicon age the Traxler was quite popular in corr. chess. Nowadays it has completely disappeared.
Says something, I suppose.
  

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The current statut of the Traxler
03/21/07 at 21:22:56
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Hello everyone, my question is simple, the Traxler, a so pretty opening that has survived for long time despite his reputation, is it refuted or not? I ask that after having reading a NIC Yearbook from 2000, and then the Yearbook63-68, 5 articles where Martin de Zeeuw analyse all the critical lines and have a final conclusion that there are somes ways to reach the evaluation +/-

Is it (still) right? Did someone gave newer analysis to improve Black's play from theses articles? What might be the best evaluation for White or Black at the moment?

  
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