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Re: Play the Caro Kann by Jovanka Houska
Reply #85 - 12/09/08 at 09:36:16
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The chapter in question is a very poor effort. Just eyeballing it, you can see it's full of facile cheapos. You see 'analysis' like this: A) XXX?, Qf3 mate, B) YYY?! loses a piece to blah blah simple tactic , CCC) ZZZ!?....long line...'is unclear'. Give me a break.

The rest of the book is pretty decent, but unfortunately here Houska was straitjacketed by the demands of the chosen repertoire, which was to look for active play in each line, which forces her to try to make the best of a very dubious variation.
  

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Reply #84 - 12/09/08 at 03:32:02
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The book was written nearly two years ago, so one should expect a large amount of errors (read: improvements) to be found in the book by now. Also, Houska may not have had Rybka when she wrote the book. 

Even Vigorito's book "Play the Semi-Slav", written not even a year ago, does not cover some recent developments, such as Topalov's 12.Nf7 idea or 14.Re1 (Radjabov-Anand, Mainz 2006 and  Corus 2008), because they were played or only became popular after the book was sent off for publication. 

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Re: Play the Caro Kann by Jovanka Houska
Reply #83 - 12/08/08 at 23:08:58
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I also have trouble with the note to 17.Re3! in the stem game, p.90. Specifically, the comment "20.Kh1 Qf3+ leads to a draw by repetition". Is Houska promoting a bailout draw here? 

What if Black doesn't want a draw? I would have liked a little more input for Black at this point. Did I read this correctly? Does anyone have some follow-up to explain how Black could proceed favorably here and why?
  
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Re: Play the Caro Kann by Jovanka Houska
Reply #82 - 12/08/08 at 22:48:50
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I agree with AlanG. The coverage of the Classical line allows the class player to get his head in the door a bit to understand the important theory. Without Houska's book you'll find yourself outside with your nose stuck to the window instead.

It appears that chess engines, like Rybka, can sniff out some of the shortcomings in analysis very quickly. One has to wonder if the proof readers only eyeball the text when doing the checks before publishing. I guess "chess engine checks" are time consuming.

I'm going to go out on another limb here and state that I suspect Houska's work has been manipulated a bit in this section of her book -- and maybe not to her liking. For example, the text on p.74 clearly belongs in the note to 15.Re1 on page 89. Considering Houska's fine work placing text beside game scores earlier, why is this so obviously misplaced? I don't think this was her decision. I'm thinking the page 74 text was in the note to 15.Re1 in the first place but got changed by someone who was not aware this disturbance in the continuity of the book. Did the publisher interfere to the point of agitation here?  Undecided

I've come across another issue in the note to 19.Bg3 in the stem game, p.90. 

19.Qb3 Kh8 etc. does not lead to an equal position. Black loses a pawn with no compensation. I tried 19...Qd7 instead of 19...Kh8. Then gave White 20.Ne4 and followed with 21...b6 and I also tried 21...Rac8 but the positions were very difficult for Black. I thought they were like walking a tightrope over the precipice while White was watching to see if you fell -- very uncomfortable chess.

Then I went back in the game score to look for improvements. I was amazed to realize that 18...b6 instead of 18...Qc8!, in the stem game, gives Black better play. The Bg7-h6 move used in the 18...b6 variation has some tactical and positional strengths. At least it is an active piece, unlike in the 19.Qb3 lines. 

You can realize these by letting your chess engine sniff around a bit. From Bh6 the B guards c1 so a White Ra1 can't play on the important c-file via Rac1. Also, the Black Q stays put and off the c-file leaving room for a Black R to be placed on c8 quickly. In additon, ...Bh6 gains a tempo on the Re3.

Many hands make light work so interested players can deny or verify some of this. Thanks.
  
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Re: Play the Caro Kann by Jovanka Houska
Reply #81 - 12/06/08 at 13:44:56
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She does seem to have slipped up here. In a repertoire book where only one line is given for Black, you shouldn't really choose a line that's hardly ever been played without some very careful analysis first. And she doesn't even seem to consider 15.d5 after 14...Kb8, although d5 is critical in these positions.

I still think the book is worth buying, though, because the coverage of the Classical line is pretty good.
  
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Re: Play the Caro Kann by Jovanka Houska
Reply #80 - 12/06/08 at 06:12:29
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Now after looking at this line, I tking You guys are right : Qc7 line looks like a crap. I feel disappointed, since i pay for the book to get good source against Panov and Advance. And half of Panov chapter is a crap  Angry
How can 2400 player don't use computer in position, where she violates some basic rules in opening? (don't move the same piece twice in opening, don't grab pawns  instead of developing pieces etc). 
To Ms. Houska : before you call something 'sophisticated', better turn your Rybka on and check if it's not +- !
I'm very disappointed by this chapter. If this book was Quality Chess we would have update right now, but it's JUST Everyman Sad I spend some $ to get book full of errors (I found some typos in classical line).
  

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Re: Play the Caro Kann by Jovanka Houska
Reply #79 - 12/06/08 at 05:52:17
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AlanG wrote on 12/05/08 at 23:23:15:
Your first suggestion of Nb5xa7 seems to be the problem.

The computer suggests 14 Nb5 and then either

14 ... Qxh2 15 Bd3 Ka8 (freeing b8 for the queen, which is in some trouble) 16 Nxa7 Nxa7 17 Qxb6 Qd6 18 Qb3 or
14 ... Qd7 15 Nxa7 Kxa7 16 d5

Both with clear advantage to White (it thinks).

Can you improve on this for Black?


Yess, this is also better for white. But black is pawn up so maybe he have some chances.

For example 13.Kb1 Kb8 14.Nb5 Qxh2 15.Bd3 Ka8 16.Nxa7 Kxa7 17.d5 Nb4 18.Rxg7  looks fascinating, but this is position for engine rather than human....
  

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Reply #78 - 12/05/08 at 23:23:15
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Your first suggestion of Nb5xa7 seems to be the problem.

The computer suggests 14 Nb5 and then either

14 ... Qxh2 15 Bd3 Ka8 (freeing b8 for the queen, which is in some trouble) 16 Nxa7 Nxa7 17 Qxb6 Qd6 18 Qb3 or
14 ... Qd7 15 Nxa7 Kxa7 16 d5

Both with clear advantage to White (it thinks).

Can you improve on this for Black?
  
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Re: Play the Caro Kann by Jovanka Houska
Reply #77 - 12/05/08 at 22:52:24
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AlanG wrote on 12/05/08 at 22:23:06:
In the line we're discussing Black does play 0-0-0 before taking the pawn, so there's no transposition required. 

This is the line:

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. cxd5 Nxd5 8. Qb3 Bxf3 9. gxf3 Nb6 10. Be3 e6 11. Rg1 Qc7 12. O-O-O O-O-O 13. Kb1 Qxh2 14. Rg3 

Are you suggesting 13 ... Kb8?




Yeah maybe this is better move. But white have interesting possibility in Nb5xa7 followed with d5. But Kb8 look playable for me. Now if 14. Rc1 then Qxh2 looks like interesting possibility. 15. Rg3!? Nxd4 with complicated position.

And if not 14. Rc1 then maybe 14. f4 to place bishop on g2 ? Then 1st possibility is g6 to develop bishop or 14..Na5 to place knight on c4. This position is maybe better for white but i don't see any danger for black. And shattered pawns may be become weaknesess in endgame.

I may be wrong somewhere, since I didn't check my suggestion with computer.

P.S 13.Kb1 Kb8 14.Rc1 Qxh2 15.Rg2 Qh4 16.Rg4 Qh5 17.Rg5 Qh4 18.d5 !? Nd4 !? looks interesting
  

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Reply #76 - 12/05/08 at 22:23:06
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In the line we're discussing Black does play 0-0-0 before taking the pawn, so there's no transposition required. 

This is the line:

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. cxd5 Nxd5 8. Qb3 Bxf3 9. gxf3 Nb6 10. Be3 e6 11. Rg1 Qc7 12. O-O-O O-O-O 13. Kb1 Qxh2 14. Rg3 

Are you suggesting 13 ... Kb8?


  
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Reply #75 - 12/05/08 at 21:48:34
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In my opinion this Qc7 line is playable, but black should castle (0-0-0) FIRST and only then grab a pawn. It's not simple transposition since black can play Kb8 BEFORE takieng on h2. Those positions are playable but black can only take pawn on some circumstances. ueen on c7 might be good in defence.
  

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Reply #74 - 12/05/08 at 21:24:43
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Well my chess engine doesn't like 15...g5 after 16. Nxd5 Bg7 17. Rd1 Bh8 18. hxg5 hxg5 19. b4. However it thinks 15...Nb4 is OK.

But 10...Nd5 may still be bad because of 11. Re1


I might have guessed that such a well aired line would not be dismissed so easily. Thanks for the reply on this and the other line.
  
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Reply #73 - 11/30/08 at 17:04:10
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Sylvester wrote on 11/22/08 at 00:17:07:
See p.69 of J. Houska's book, in the note to move 10...Bd6 in the stem game. What about 15...g5 instead of 15...Be7? Does this overturn things or has my little chess engine missed something beyond its horizon?


Well my chess engine doesn't like 15...g5 after 16. Nxd5 Bg7 17. Rd1 Bh8 18. hxg5 hxg5 19. b4. However it thinks 15...Nb4 is OK.

But 10...Nd5 may still be bad because of 11. Re1

Sylvester wrote on 11/28/08 at 18:33:32:
Looking at A1) Rg1 in the Panov Attack, I can't say that I place much trust in 11...Qc7!?, p.81

Can Black really get away with the pawn grab on h2 leaving White to opt for the d4-d5 push?


It doesn't look good to me either. All these lines look like a clear advantage to White:

14 ...Qh5 15. Rg5 Qh4 16. d5 Nxd5 17. Nxd5 exd5 18. Rgxd5
14 ...Qh5 15. Rg5 Qxf3 16. Bg2 Qf6 17. Rc1 (if 17 ...h6 18 d5!)
14 ...Kb8 15. d5 exd5 16. Nb5
14 ...Kb8 15. d5 Nxd5 16. Nxd5 exd5 (or Rxd5) 17. Rc1

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Reply #72 - 11/28/08 at 18:33:32
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Looking at A1) Rg1 in the Panov Attack, I can't say that I place much trust in 11...Qc7!?, p.81

Can Black really get away with the pawn grab on h2 leaving White to opt for the d4-d5 push?

Could someone show me some encouraging analysis, p.82, after 14...Kb8 (bottom left in the stem game). 

I don't like the look of things after 14...Qh5 15.Rg5 Qh4 (15...Qxf3 16.Bg2 followed by Bxc6) d5 instead of f4. When the R on the g-file swings over to the Q side, it appears to be a very difficult game for Black.

14...Kb8 also seems to allow White to play d4-d5 when appropriate.

This 11...Qc7 line seems to fly in the face of the blockading strategy promoted earlier in this section of the book. 

Houska says the ...Qxh2 grab is sophisticated. I would have liked more proof of that from the book in this section.

  
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Reply #71 - 11/22/08 at 00:17:07
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See p.69 of J. Houska's book, in the note to move 10...Bd6 in the stem game. What about 15...g5 instead of 15...Be7? Does this overturn things or has my little chess engine missed something beyond its horizon?
  
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