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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #17 - 06/30/07 at 14:57:26
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Ptero,

That makes sense to me, but is there really a way for Black to avoid the Queen exchange?  Undecided

After 12..Qe5 13.f4 Qb8 (is there anyplace else to go? 13..Qh5 14.Be2 looks better for White) 14.Qxb8 Rxb8.  Maybe Black's OK here, e.g., 15.e5 Bxc3 16.bxc3 Nd5 17.Bd2 f6 or 15.Bd3 Bxc3 16.bxc3 d6.  These are just quick impressions; I haven't yet looked at this much, but I'm not sure I see much else here.

What do you think?

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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #16 - 06/30/07 at 12:36:26
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Pessoa wrote on 06/29/07 at 10:30:05:
Actually, two games have recently been played with this variation. While the first game was sort of OK for Black, the second one was not exactly a success:


[Event "V Regina Helena Marques Prol"]
[Site "Santos BRA"]
[Date "2007.05.21"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Hungaski, R."]
[Black "Tsuboi, E."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B48"]
[WhiteElo "2379"]
[BlackElo "2356"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2007.05.19"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2007.05.28"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e6 5. Nc3 Qc7 6. Be3 a6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8.
O-O-O Bb4 9. f3 Ne5 10. Nb3 b5 11. Qd4 Nc6 12. Qb6 Qxb6 13. Bxb6 O-O 14. a4
Bxc3 15. axb5 Bxb2+ 16. Kxb2 axb5 17. Bc5 Re8 18. Bxb5 Ba6 19. c4 Rec8 20. Ra1
Bb7 21. Bd6 Ne8 22. Bg3 d6 23. Rxa8 Rxa8 24. Rd1 e5 25. Bf2 Rb8 26. Kc3 Rc8 27.
Bb6 Kf8 28. Na1 Ke7 29. Nc2 Nc7 30. Bxc6 Bxc6 31. Bxc7 Rxc7 32. Ne3 g6 33. Ra1
h5 34. h4 Kd7 35. Ra6 Rc8 36. Ra7+ Rc7 37. Ra6 Rc8 38. Ra7+ Rc7 39. Rxc7+ Kxc7
40. Kb4 Kb6 41. Nd1 Bd7 42. Nc3 Be6 43. Nb5 Kc6 44. Na7+ Kb6 45. Nb5 1/2-1/2

(The Week in Chess 655)



[Event "TCh-ESP Honor Gp1"]
[Site "Lugo ESP"]
[Date "2007.06.22"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Alsina Leal, D."]
[Black "Bellon Lopez, JuM"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B48"]
[WhiteElo "2428"]
[BlackElo "2425"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[EventDate "2007.06.20"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2007.06.25"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Qc7 5. Nc3 e6 6. Be3 a6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8.
O-O-O Bb4 9. f3 Ne5 10. Nb3 b5 11. Qd4 Nc6 12. Qb6 Qxb6 13. Bxb6 Ke7 14. a4 d6
15. axb5 axb5 16. Nxb5 Bd7 17. c3 Ne5 18. cxb4 Bxb5 19. Bxb5 Rhc8+ 20. Kb1 Rab8
21. f4 Rxb6 22. fxe5 dxe5 23. Bd3 Rxb4 24. Nc1 Nxe4 25. Bxe4 Rxe4 26. Rhe1 Rxe1
27. Rxe1 f6 28. Na2 g5 29. Nc3 g4 30. Kc2 Rb8 31. Re4 h5 32. b4 f5 33. Rxe5 g3
34. hxg3 Kd6 35. Rb5 Rg8 36. Ne2 h4 37. gxh4 Rxg2 38. Kd3 Rh2 39. Rb6+ Ke5 40.
Nd4 Kd5 41. Nf3 Rb2 42. Ke3 Rb1 43. Rb8 Kd6 44. Rb5 Rd1 45. Rb6+ Kd5 46. Rb8
Rh1 47. Rd8+ Kc4 48. Rd6 e5 49. Nxe5+ Kxb4 50. Nf3 Kc5 51. Rd2 Kc6 52. Kf4 1-0

(The Week in Chess 659)


Thanks for posting these games.
They confirm what Semko said earlier, that a Q exchange is highly undesirable for black: the a6-b5 pawn duo is a fixed target for an eventual a4, while white's f3-e4 chain severely restricts black's counterplay.  White even has a better placed K in this endgame.
Khalifman himself suggests 12...Qe5 which indeed seems a better try.
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #15 - 06/29/07 at 10:30:05
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Actually, two games have recently been played with this variation. While the first game was sort of OK for Black, the second one was not exactly a success:


[Event "V Regina Helena Marques Prol"]
[Site "Santos BRA"]
[Date "2007.05.21"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Hungaski, R."]
[Black "Tsuboi, E."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B48"]
[WhiteElo "2379"]
[BlackElo "2356"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2007.05.19"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2007.05.28"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e6 5. Nc3 Qc7 6. Be3 a6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8.
O-O-O Bb4 9. f3 Ne5 10. Nb3 b5 11. Qd4 Nc6 12. Qb6 Qxb6 13. Bxb6 O-O 14. a4
Bxc3 15. axb5 Bxb2+ 16. Kxb2 axb5 17. Bc5 Re8 18. Bxb5 Ba6 19. c4 Rec8 20. Ra1
Bb7 21. Bd6 Ne8 22. Bg3 d6 23. Rxa8 Rxa8 24. Rd1 e5 25. Bf2 Rb8 26. Kc3 Rc8 27.
Bb6 Kf8 28. Na1 Ke7 29. Nc2 Nc7 30. Bxc6 Bxc6 31. Bxc7 Rxc7 32. Ne3 g6 33. Ra1
h5 34. h4 Kd7 35. Ra6 Rc8 36. Ra7+ Rc7 37. Ra6 Rc8 38. Ra7+ Rc7 39. Rxc7+ Kxc7
40. Kb4 Kb6 41. Nd1 Bd7 42. Nc3 Be6 43. Nb5 Kc6 44. Na7+ Kb6 45. Nb5 1/2-1/2

(The Week in Chess 655)



[Event "TCh-ESP Honor Gp1"]
[Site "Lugo ESP"]
[Date "2007.06.22"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Alsina Leal, D."]
[Black "Bellon Lopez, JuM"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B48"]
[WhiteElo "2428"]
[BlackElo "2425"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[EventDate "2007.06.20"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2007.06.25"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Qc7 5. Nc3 e6 6. Be3 a6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8.
O-O-O Bb4 9. f3 Ne5 10. Nb3 b5 11. Qd4 Nc6 12. Qb6 Qxb6 13. Bxb6 Ke7 14. a4 d6
15. axb5 axb5 16. Nxb5 Bd7 17. c3 Ne5 18. cxb4 Bxb5 19. Bxb5 Rhc8+ 20. Kb1 Rab8
21. f4 Rxb6 22. fxe5 dxe5 23. Bd3 Rxb4 24. Nc1 Nxe4 25. Bxe4 Rxe4 26. Rhe1 Rxe1
27. Rxe1 f6 28. Na2 g5 29. Nc3 g4 30. Kc2 Rb8 31. Re4 h5 32. b4 f5 33. Rxe5 g3
34. hxg3 Kd6 35. Rb5 Rg8 36. Ne2 h4 37. gxh4 Rxg2 38. Kd3 Rh2 39. Rb6+ Ke5 40.
Nd4 Kd5 41. Nf3 Rb2 42. Ke3 Rb1 43. Rb8 Kd6 44. Rb5 Rd1 45. Rb6+ Kd5 46. Rb8
Rh1 47. Rd8+ Kc4 48. Rd6 e5 49. Nxe5+ Kxb4 50. Nf3 Kc5 51. Rd2 Kc6 52. Kf4 1-0

(The Week in Chess 659)
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #14 - 05/29/07 at 12:51:51
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Black certainly should avoid swapping queens. I think that he is OK, but not in an endgame.
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #13 - 05/29/07 at 07:15:08
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JudgeDeath wrote on 04/03/07 at 07:47:48:
Au contraire. After 15...Rb8 Black stands better if anything.

15...Rb8 does look good.

Bonsai wrote on 04/03/07 at 07:07:24:
JudgeDeath wrote on 04/02/07 at 19:01:26:
11.Qd4 Nc6 12.Qb6 Bd6 seems satisfactory to me.

I suppose that 13.Qxc7 Bxc7 14.Bc5 Bb7 followed by ...0-0-0 looks bearable for black, but something like 13.Na5 Qxb6 14.Bxb6 Bf4+ 15.Kb1 Nxa5 16.Bxa5 has to be a bit better for white (next we can start thinking of a2-a4 etc.), right?

I've now seen, that Khalifman does actually recommend 13.Qxc7 Bxc7, but doesn't continue with 14.Bc5. However I am not sure whether I agree with him that white is really a little bit better after the alternative he suggests. Well, I suppose he's rated over 400 Elo higher than me for a reason, but at least at my level I'd happily play this variation (I suppose on either side, really, the position is interesting enough).

Interestingly enough 12...Bd6 is just featured under the section beginning with "I will mentioned here that the other moves lead to an edge for white" (Khalifman).

As far as I can see (TWIC + Chessbase database), nobody has ventured 11.Qd4, yet (well, not in a tournament the games of which got published), so maybe that says something and this suggestion of Khalifman will not have as enthusiastic a following as e.g. his anti-Grünfeld variation.
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #12 - 04/03/07 at 07:47:48
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Bonsai wrote on 04/03/07 at 07:07:24:
I suppose that 13.Qxc7 Bxc7 14.Bc5 Bb7 followed by ...0-0-0 looks bearable for black, but something like 13.Na5 Qxb6 14.Bxb6 Bf4+ 15.Kb1 Nxa5 16.Bxa5 has to be a bit better for white (next we can start thinking of a2-a4 etc.), right?


Au contraire. After 15...Rb8 Black stands better if anything.
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
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JudgeDeath wrote on 04/02/07 at 19:01:26:
11.Qd4 Nc6 12.Qb6 Bd6 seems satisfactory to me.

I suppose that 13.Qxc7 Bxc7 14.Bc5 Bb7 followed by ...0-0-0 looks bearable for black, but something like 13.Na5 Qxb6 14.Bxb6 Bf4+ 15.Kb1 Nxa5 16.Bxa5 has to be a bit better for white (next we can start thinking of a2-a4 etc.), right?
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #10 - 04/02/07 at 19:01:26
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11.Qd4 Nc6 12.Qb6 Bd6 seems satisfactory to me.
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #9 - 04/02/07 at 12:45:46
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Hello,

I think it leads to the same endgame as after 11Qe1 i.e 12.QxB QxQ 13.pxQ again the two bishops worth more than damaged pawn structure.

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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
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Why not 11. ...Bb4xNc3
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #7 - 04/02/07 at 09:05:44
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Hello,

After, 11...Be7 12.Qb6 QxQ 13 BxQ black is going to be a temp down, compared with the Campora game, which makes what was played there unplayable for a start. If white can exchange bishops with Bc5, BxB, Nxc5 will lead to type of endgame that Leko has won.

The other alternative is 11 ...Nc6 12 Qb6 QxQ 13 BxQ then maybe 13 ... BxN although the two bishops always seem to be worth more, in this type of position. So I find 11Qd4 quite a unphleasant option for white compare to other tries which lead to murky positions that are often the best form of equality for black in practise.
                 Can't say I'm too worried though because at my level this whole line does not occur much.

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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #6 - 04/01/07 at 22:24:07
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Black seems to be having plenty of problems with 11.Qf2 in this line, so I don't see how it compares with Nunn in "Beating the Sicilian".
  
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Re: Anand Vol.9 - suggestion in Engl. attack
Reply #5 - 04/01/07 at 20:08:24
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Bonsai wrote on 04/01/07 at 09:49:33:
According to the information provided by Chess Stars publishing Vol.9 is suggesting the English Attack versus the Taimanov and apparently one of the major suggestions is in the variation 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e6 5.Nc3 Qc7 6.Be3 a6 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.0-0-0 Bb4 9.f3 Ne5 10.Nb3 b5, namely the move 11.Qd4!?.
http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.php?fen=rxbxkxxr%2Fxxqpxppp%2Fpx...
I have not found a single game in this variation in the databases, but is looks quite interesting. Since I don't have the book, yet, I am wondering whether anyone has any comments.


This seems odd to me too.  I guess we'll have to wait to see the book, when all will be revealed.  Maybe Khalifman picked 11.Qd4 because he couldn't find anything in the known lines; I seem to recall that Nunn had the same problem in Beating the Sicilian.  

The Qd4 idea is known in a similar line.  1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Nc3 Qc7 6. Be3 a6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8. f3 Ne5 9. Nb3 b5 10. Qd4 Be7 11. Qb6 Qxb6 12. Bxb6 was played in Campora-Teran Alvarez, Benasque 1999. But this position is thought to lead, at best, to only a minimal advantage for White.  

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Reply #4 - 04/01/07 at 20:00:59
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I found a 1997 computer game between Comet and Junior on P90s that featured 11.Qd4. Black won in 68.  Grin
  
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Reply #3 - 04/01/07 at 19:37:59
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JEH wrote on 04/01/07 at 13:09:51:
Can you point me to where did you got this info?

For the table of contents http://www.chess-stars.com and for the some more details the entry for the book at https://www.schachversand.de/startneu.htm.

notyetagm, the position after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e6 5.Nc3 Qc7 6.Be3 a6 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.0-0-0 Bb4 9.f3 Ne5 10.Nb3 b5 is quite well-known, but the main tries for white so far have been Kb1, Qf2, Qe1 and Bd4.
  
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