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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: 5.Bd2 agaist the Winawer Reply #5 - 04/18/07 at 20:38:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	I read Watson's review and a common point between lines is: Black is better when a knight exchange occurs. Maybe, a good idea for White is to delay Nb5 and to choose between dxc5-a3 or Nb5 next moves: 5.Bd2!? Ne7 6.f4!? (instead of 6.Nb5?!) and now A) 6..Nf5 7.Nf3 Nc6! (7..cxd4 Wahls-Dochoian,Allemagne 1992 (Tiemann et Jovicic) lead to unclear play) 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.Bd3 Nh4! Hebden-McDonald, english championship 1989 (McDonald and Harley) B) 6..oo 7.Nf3 (7.Nb5 Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 Qb6 9.dxc5 Qxc5= or 8...Nc6 9.dxc5 avoids 9.Nf3 a6 10.Nd6 Nxd4 or 8..a6 9.Nd6 Nbc6 10.dxc5 or 8...cxd4 9.Nf3 Nbc6 10.Bd3 transposes to book line) C) 6..Nbc6 7.Nb5! Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 Nxd4 (8..oo 9.dxc5) 9.Nxd4 cxd4 10.Nf3 oo (10..Nc6 11.Nxd4 Qb6 12.ooo and small advantage to White in endgame Holaczek-Dueckstein,Vienna 1966 (MCO) due to d4 blockade square and space advantage ... with White avoiding: 10...Nf5 11.Bd3 Qb6 12.Bxf5 Qxb2! Santo Roman-Miralles,Epinal 1986 (Tiemann)) 11.Nxd4 f6 12.exf6 Rxf6= D) 6...cxd4 7.Nb5 Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 oo (8...Nf5 9.Nf3 and the game Machulsky-Luther, Sverdlovsk 1989 (Psakhis) reached a position similar to endgame position in line C) 9.Nf3 Nbc6 transposes to B

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FightingDragon Senior Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 267 Joined: 05/12/04	Re: 5.Bd2 agaist the Winawer Reply #4 - 04/17/07 at 08:47:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Unfortunately I DID make the mistake to play that in a tournament game and was duly punished with a crushing loss 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.Bd2 Nh6!? 6.Nb5?! Bd2: 7.Qd2: 0-0 8.f4?! which may already be a bad move where black has better chances.


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megazord YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 19 Joined: 03/27/07	Re: 5.Bd2 agaist the Winawer Reply #3 - 04/17/07 at 03:55:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Wow after reading Watson's review I feel like GM Perelshteyn has dooped me. Thank you for that link, I might have made the mistake of playing that in a tournament.


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Klick God Member Offline Posts: 528 Joined: 01/31/03	Re: 5.Bd2 agaist the Winawer Reply #2 - 04/17/07 at 03:42:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	An extensive and crushing review indeed. Quote: In the end, what is wrong with this book? The main point is not that so many of the lines the authors have given us above are bad, or ineffective, although that is certainly an issue. Rather, it's the lack of integrity throughout.

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4945 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: 5.Bd2 agaist the Winawer Reply #1 - 04/17/07 at 02:53:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	You might want to consult this for another view ... http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/jwatsonbkrev77.html


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megazord YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 19 Joined: 03/27/07	C17: 5.Bd2 agaist the Winawer 04/17/07 at 02:15:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	I just watched GM perelshteyn's lecture on chess.fm regarding this line. How accurate is this lecture? I mean he makes it seem like the 5.Bd2 line is a automatic great game for white. I am no french specialist, but black must have other options besides the ones shown in his lecture. Dose anyone know the current state of this line? The line he gives is as follows: 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.Bd2 Ne7 6.Nb5 Bxd2+ 7.Qxd2 0-0 8.f4 a6 9.Nd6 cxd4 10.Nf3 Nc6 11.Bd3 f6 12.0-0 fxe5 13.fxe5 Rxf3(is there some other move for black?) 14.Rxf3 Nxe5 15.Qf4 Nxf3 16.gxf3 Nc6 with a great attack for white. Just watch the video to see all the intricacies.
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