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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #13 - 05/23/07 at 09:18:47
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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #12 - 05/23/07 at 08:58:26
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I just analyzed 5. ..b5 for an hour and I'm really liking this move. In fact, I think c5 may just be the best answer to the Catalan intentions. I tried to find positions I liked with Bb4 and d5 for the longest time and I just couldn't. White always enjoys a comfortable edge. But with c5, not only is Black fine, but White has a tough game. Maybe a better try is 4. Nf3, d5 clearly leads to nothing. This will be my main response against the Catalan setup. Grin

Now, if only I could find something I like after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. a3!? Arghh..
  
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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #11 - 05/12/07 at 00:54:12
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Wink Thanks Hoppers, I'll check it out...

and thanks for the input guys...
  

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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #10 - 05/11/07 at 21:59:38
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Ghengisclown - I believe John Watson sums this line up pretty nicely in his Gambit Guide to The Modern Benoni.
  

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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #9 - 05/11/07 at 15:38:59
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Indeed. I suspect there isn't more coverage in Benoni works because B can always prefer to meet 3 g3 by transposing to the Fianchetto variation. But, of course, some non-MB players may be attracted to this line as an anti-Catalan device.
There's certainly been some coverage on ChessPub I know  Wink and quite possibly theory is yet to really decide on this line. What to make of the creativity of Kramnik-Aronian? 5...b5 6 Nd2!? Nxd5!? 7 Bg2 Nb6 8 Bxa8 Rxa8, etc.
  
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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #8 - 05/11/07 at 09:26:50
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I think that probably is safe to say. It's curious what lines are and are not covered by books. I noticed this particularly when I was doing my d4 deviations book.

The gambit was, I think 6 Nf3 d6 7 b4. Gazza's idea was 7...Nbd7, just letting White take on c5 and recapturing with the d-pawn to press d5, which had previously been regarded as suicide. But I might have the details wrong, and I certainly haven't kept up. Look up Kasim-Gazza on a database if you can.
  
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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #7 - 05/11/07 at 04:17:15
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"...well-regarded for Black since Gazza defused the b4 gambit which was previously troubling him..."

OH? Didn't know about that.

Is it to safe to say then, that this line has been sadly neglected in the literature?
  

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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #6 - 05/10/07 at 10:46:27
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Gazza famously went for 5...b5, of course (rapid game against Kasimdhanov in which RK blundered a rook in the opening and Gazza didn't notice).

I also thought this order was well-regarded for Black since Gazza defused the b4 gambit which was previously troubling him, but I'm no expert on it.
  
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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #5 - 05/09/07 at 15:02:49
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ghenghisclown wrote on 05/09/07 at 05:13:49:
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Personally as Black, I might just accept the transposition into the Modern Benoni.


I remember reading somewhere that this move order by White is relatively rare precisely because this version of the Benoni is not as good for him as allowing the 1 or the normal Benoni. I believe Black scores really well in this line (with b5).


Could be.  A little surprising, though.
  

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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #4 - 05/09/07 at 05:13:49
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Personally as Black, I might just accept the transposition into the Modern Benoni.


I remember reading somewhere that this move order by White is relatively rare precisely because this version of the Benoni is not as good for him as allowing the QID or the normal Benoni. I believe Black scores really well in this line (with b5).
  

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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #3 - 05/08/07 at 21:21:25
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ghenghisclown wrote on 05/08/07 at 20:01:56:
  Smiley Thanks for taking the time to reply! Perhaps some more of you will chime in as to resources for this line. I will investigate the Vegh book in the interim.

Thanks again.


Personally as Black, I might just accept the transposition into the Modern Benoni.  White doesn't have to push the d-pawn, of course, so you have to prepare something from the Symmetrical English (or else the ...d5, ...e5 variation).
  

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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #2 - 05/08/07 at 20:01:56
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  Smiley Thanks for taking the time to reply! Perhaps some more of you will chime in as to resources for this line. I will investigate the Vegh book in the interim.

Thanks again.
  

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Re: Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
Reply #1 - 05/03/07 at 13:02:07
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ghenghisclown wrote on 05/03/07 at 04:35:59:
especially the lines with 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 b5



there are a couple of annotated games in the chesspub archive, also there are about 7 pages devoted to this line in Vegh's "starting out: modern benoni". I don't  know what's available in NIC or Informant though.   
  
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Benoni vs. 3.g3 Catalan
05/03/07 at 04:35:59
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Hi, just wanted to know if anybody knows a book, NIC yearbook, other magazine, online lecture, dvd, or any source material with which to study 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 c5

especially the lines with 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 b5

...Much obliged...
  

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