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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #16 - 05/27/07 at 01:30:33
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Didn't think so . .  Sad

But figured I'd ask.  Thanks to all who responded!
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #15 - 05/26/07 at 23:14:26
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LeeRoth wrote on 05/26/07 at 15:30:42:
I like the fianchetto lines against the KID.  But is there a good way to get to those lines without allowing Black to duck out into a g3 Gruenfeld or Benoni? 

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No there isn't.

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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #14 - 05/26/07 at 20:01:07
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LeeRoth wrote on 05/26/07 at 15:30:42:
I like the fianchetto lines against the KID.  But is there a good way to get to those lines without allowing Black to duck out into a g3 Gruenfeld or Benoni? 

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The only way to avoid the Benoni is not answering x...c5 with y.d5 and only play this move in answer to ...Nc6. Eg 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 d6 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Nf3 c5 7.0-0, when cxd4 leads to a variation of the Symmetrical English: 1.c4 c5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.0-0 d6 7.d4.
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #13 - 05/26/07 at 16:32:46
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LeeRoth wrote on 05/26/07 at 15:30:42:
I like the fianchetto lines against the KID.  But is there a good way to get to those lines without allowing Black to duck out into a g3 Gruenfeld or Benoni? 

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I think the answer is no, unless you're willing to try an English move-order, such as 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. g3.  Then if 3...c6 4. Bg2 (ready to play e4 next) d5 5. cd cd 6. Qb3 is supposed to be slightly better for White, as in a game Gurevich-Nunn.
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #12 - 05/26/07 at 15:30:42
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I like the fianchetto lines against the KID.  But is there a good way to get to those lines without allowing Black to duck out into a g3 Gruenfeld or Benoni? 

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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #11 - 05/26/07 at 14:39:55
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What exactly do u mean with the "classical"? (1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 Nf3 O-O 6 Be2 ?)

Is the Sämisch "easy" for black? What is the medicine? -,c5 gambit variations?


1) Yes, classical is 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 Nf3 O-O 6 Be2 e5 7 00 Nc6, usually followed by 8 d5 (Mar del Plata variation).

2) Against the Saemisch 1)d4 Nf6 2)c4 g6 3)Nc3 Bg7 4)e4 d6 5) f3 the most popular and respected systems are either the c5 system or the modern with 00 6)Be3 Nc6, but other systems aren´t bad for white either. Therefore white has a hard task to prepare against the Saemisch.

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Reply #10 - 05/25/07 at 07:41:38
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What exactly do u mean with the "classical"? (1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 Nf3 O-O 6 Be2 ?)

Is the Sämisch "easy" for black? What is the medicine? -,c5 gambit variations?
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #9 - 05/24/07 at 21:46:37
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fluffy wrote on 05/24/07 at 11:53:18:
only the classical and the fianchetto are "theoretical" issues for Black.


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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #8 - 05/24/07 at 11:53:18
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only the classical and the fianchetto are "theoretical" issues for Black.
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #7 - 05/23/07 at 22:08:18
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Sorry!  Cheesy But, it is an opening theory forum and I'm still settling on a repertoire. Plus, I'm curious what everyone thinks. Still, I will tone it down for you.  Wink
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #6 - 05/23/07 at 12:57:45
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There are many "possibly potent" lines against the KID.  It's chess, you know?  It's a good defense, but Black's task is not so easy, it seems to me, across a wide range of White counters.


What??  Chess is difficult??   Roll Eyes

I must admit, I'm starting to tire of these general questions (what opening should I play--I want to win; which is better: the flip-flop variation or the flop-flip?).  A little more analysis would be rather welcome...
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #5 - 05/23/07 at 12:42:07
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exigentsky wrote on 05/23/07 at 00:01:05:
Does it seem like there are ANY possibly potent lines in the King's Indian apart from the following?
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 Nf3 O-O 6 Be2 e5
7 O-O Nc6 8 d5 Ne7

I don't mean lines that are annoying, I mean lines that could be objectively very strong. Could the fianchetto lines pose a serious theoretical challenge?


There are many "possibly potent" lines against the KID.  It's chess, you know?  It's a good defense, but Black's task is not so easy, it seems to me, across a wide range of White counters.   

Personally I often play the Four Pawns Attack.  It's not seen that much at the top and is universally dismissed by the KID advocacy books, but the particular opponents that I have seem to have a very difficult time dealing with it.
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #4 - 05/23/07 at 03:22:06
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Interesting. What if White plays 9. Be3 after Ne7 in the main line? There are actually a lot of possibilities on the 9th move: Nd2, Ne1, Be3, b4...
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #3 - 05/23/07 at 03:13:30
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exigentsky wrote on 05/23/07 at 00:01:05:
Does it seem like there are ANY possibly potent lines in the King's Indian apart from the following?
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 Nf3 O-O 6 Be2 e5
7 O-O Nc6 8 d5 Ne7 I don't mean lines that are annoying, I mean lines that could be objectively very strong. Could the fianchetto lines pose a serious theoretical challenge?


I think the Gligoric 7. Be3 is objectively strong, developing a piece looks like good chess to me, and White's best moves are easier to find than Black's best moves OTB. The Samisch is also fairly theoretically challenging imho. 

I looked at 3. g3 for a long time, but the transposition to the Symmetrical English with 3...Bg7 4. Bg2 c5 5. Nf3 cxd4 etc looks reasonably solid for Black (at least from my limited understanding of the English), and 5. d5 b5 6. cxb5 Qa5+! is a good Benko for Black (Kotsur-Sutovsky).
  
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Re: Theoretically Challenging Lines
Reply #2 - 05/23/07 at 02:21:36
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I was referring to the White side. I also looked at Na6, but I still get the feeling that Nc6 is stronger. I remember seeing some variation where after dxe5, Black had nothing but hopes for a draw.
  
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