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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #13 - 06/05/07 at 02:11:56
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Outweigh = zwaarder wegen/meer gelden dan (...).    

Incidentally the Tartakower was, I believe, the most popular form of QG for Black in GM play about 20 years ago (before the rise of e.g. the QGA and especially the Slav).
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Reply #12 - 06/05/07 at 01:34:56
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Reply #11 - 06/04/07 at 13:42:48
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MNb wrote on 06/02/07 at 14:51:18:
Definitely yes, it is one of the best around. The general consensus is, that Black's activity outweighs the hanging pawns.


Outweighs, or compensates for?
  

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Definitely yes, it is one of the best around. The general consensus is, that Black's activity outweighs the hanging pawns.
  

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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #9 - 06/02/07 at 02:34:54
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Thanks for all the comments. But I gather from all your comments that The Tartakower is an extremely good opening. Is that the case?
  
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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #8 - 06/01/07 at 15:43:43
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ErictheRed wrote on 05/30/07 at 14:49:41:
I think you're only real choices to avoid it are the Catalan, 5.Bf4, and the Exchange Variation 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5.  Besides those, I guess you can play 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e3 h6 6.Bxf6 as well.


You can avoid Tartakover's, at least in its ...h6 form, with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Qc2.  The point is, 5...0-0  6. Bg5 h6  7. Bxf6 is good for White, who intends 0-0-0 and e2-e4 in some order.  It also avoids Lasker's.  This comes at a price, of course.  For one thing, you allow the Semi-Tarrasch and the Ragozin.  But I think this way of playing the QGD is a little bit underrated, and definitely dangerous for unwary Blacks.
  

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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #7 - 06/01/07 at 02:35:22
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Hmm, nice game, but isn't the bishop better placed on d3?
  
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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #6 - 06/01/07 at 00:26:40
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Here's the later game:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 O-O 7. e3 b6 8. Be2
Bb7 9. Bxf6 Bxf6 10. cxd5 exd5 11. b4 c6 12. O-O a5 13. b5 c5 14. Ne5 Bxe5 15.
dxe5 d4 16. exd4 cxd4 17. Na4 Ra7 18. f4 Qd5 19. Rf2 Nd7 20. Rc1 Rc8 21. Rxc8+
Bxc8 22. Qc2 Bb7 23. Bc4 Qe4 24. Qxe4 Bxe4 25. Rd2 Nc5 26. Nxb6 d3 27. Nc8 Rc7
28. Nd6 Ba8 29. b6 Rc6 30. Bd5 Rxd6 31. exd6 Bxd5 32. Rxd3 Be6 33. d7

1-0, A.Khalifman-A.Beliavsky, FIDE GP Moscow, 2002.

  
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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #5 - 06/01/07 at 00:18:23
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Yeah, he played this against Shabalov in the 2001 FIDE knockout tournament.  But the next year he switched to the Onischuk variation with 14.Ne5.
  
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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #4 - 05/31/07 at 12:34:31
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Khalifman recommand 8.Be2 Bb7 9.Bxf6 Bxf6 10.cd5 ed5 11.0-0 in his book O.W.A.K.5
  

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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #3 - 05/30/07 at 18:08:26
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Maybe u will some ideas after looking at:
http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/files/anand_nielsen_monaco06.htm
  
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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #2 - 05/30/07 at 14:49:41
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I think you're only real choices to avoid it are the Catalan, 5.Bf4, and the Exchange Variation 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5.  Besides those, I guess you can play 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e3 h6 6.Bxf6 as well.
  
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Re: Good Reply to Tartakower
Reply #1 - 05/30/07 at 09:19:49
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Erm... 1.e4 ?! or how about 5.Bf4 instead.

The Tartakower is just a rather good opening I'm afraid.  The theoretical frontrunner is 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.O-O Nbd7 10. Qg3 (or 10.Bg3) but it's a position you just need to play.
  
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Good Reply to Tartakower
05/30/07 at 05:16:23
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can someone suggest a good way to deal with tartakower? I have been losing a lot of games lately. I play the Bxf6 line.
  
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