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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #21 - 02/19/08 at 13:30:49
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7 Be3! e5 8 Nf5 Qxb2? i think black is here completely lost 9 Nb5 Bxf5 10 Rb1! Qxa2 11 Nc7+ Ke7 12 Nxa8 Bc8 13 Bb5 Qa5+ 14 Bd2! Qa3 15 Bxc6 bxc6 16 Ra1 Qc5 17 Ra5 Qd4 18 c3
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #20 - 06/27/07 at 11:51:59
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What do you do after 11...Be6 12.Rb1 Qa3 13.Bc1?
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #19 - 06/25/07 at 12:08:33
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sssthepro wrote on 06/16/07 at 02:20:13:
So what do you think of my lines?

I would say both the 11..Bc8 and 11..Be6 are playable (much prefer the first).
I was also looking a bit at 11...Bc8 12.Bd3 Nd4 abd some of the other lines you posted, but couldnt find anything decisive for either.
  

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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #18 - 06/16/07 at 23:59:12
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Sorry, I am not a member, and thus cannot see the June updates. Applying some of the June update ideas, can some of you guys help me in this? Thanks!
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #17 - 06/16/07 at 21:32:43
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Willempie wrote on 06/15/07 at 06:13:38:
Going through the update now. Good to see schevy coverage Smiley


Yes it was.  Smiley

I thought the June update was particularly good.  Thanks, Richard.
  
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Reply #16 - 06/16/07 at 02:20:13
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So what do you think of my lines?
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #15 - 06/15/07 at 06:13:38
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I must admit that I find it hard to believe in White’s concept, but in this modern materialistic world (see Radjabov-Grischuk in this month’s update for a successful a8-rook grab), it probably does deserve to be considered. Has anyone else ever analysed this?

Karjakin-Grishuk?

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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #14 - 06/15/07 at 06:05:32
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sssthepro wrote on 06/15/07 at 02:00:06:
Strangely, Fritz says that after 14.Nxb6 axb6 15.Bxb6+ Kd7 the evaluation is only +0.56 compared to the earlier variations.

I havent checked any lines so far, but comps are very bad in giving proper evaluations when there is a material imbalance. Iirc Taljechin and Mnb mentioned some stuff about this in relation to the Kings gambit (I think). You'd sack something and the evaluation went down to -1.00 and then a few moves further it was +.5
  

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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #13 - 06/15/07 at 02:00:06
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Strangely, Fritz says that after 14.Nxb6 axb6 15.Bxb6+ Kd7 the evaluation is only +0.56 compared to the earlier variations.
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #12 - 06/15/07 at 01:55:42
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Ok, I post a variation here.

after 11...Bc8 12.Bd3 b6 (To get the a8 knight. If anyone else has a better idea, post here) 13.Rb1 Qa3 (if Qxa2, then Bb5) 14.0-0 Bb7
15.Nxb6 axb6 16.Bxb6 Kc8 16.Bc4  Fritz says White is +1.28

after 14...d5 15.exd5 Nxd5 16.Be4 Qxe3+ 17.Kh1 Nd4 18.Bxd5 Bd6(I dont like to play f6 is this position) 19.Bxf7 Bb7 20.Nxb6 axb6 21.Rxb6 Kc7 22.Qb1 Fritz says +0.91

These variations are not exhaustive, but they show some difficulties that Black will face. Can people give some suggestions?
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #11 - 06/14/07 at 15:01:38
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Interesting question!
I see that Ivanchuk once played 6 f3 Qb6 (6...e5 is also possible) 7 Be3!? e5 8 Nf5 Qxb2 9 Nb5 Bxf5 10 exf5, but after 10...Rc8 he had nothing more than a draw with 11 Rb1 Qxa2 12 Rb1 (v Kozul, Gothenburg 2005). You wonder about 10 Nc7+!? Kd7/d8 11 Nxa8. I suspect that this isn’t seen more because Black will win the a8-knight, leaving him with a pawn for the exchange. More importantly, Black’s active queen on b2 gives him a number of active possibilities and maybe even 11...Nb4. Does that not hold up to detailed scrutiny?
I must admit that I find it hard to believe in White’s concept, but in this modern materialistic world (see Radjabov-Grischuk in this month’s update for a successful a8-rook grab), it probably does deserve to be considered. Has anyone else ever analysed this?
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #10 - 06/07/07 at 13:17:27
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After ...Bc8, what if White just play Bd3 (or Be2, not sure yet. The bishop on e2 allows the queen to attack the d6 pawn, thus preventing or delaying ...d5) and castles? Then he can go ahead and attack the Black king, while Black will need some time to organise his pieces.
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #9 - 06/04/07 at 07:57:48
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Nice move that 13.Bc1.
I dont think black should take the a-pawn just yet though. I think 13.Bc1 Qc3+ 14.Bd2 Qd4 may be better, but I tend to agree that black is in more trouble than I thought.

Though I had a minor brainwave and I think that 10.Nc7+? Kd8 11.Nxa8 Be6 may not be the best and maybe 11..Bc8 (I like the theme of returning bishops  Wink) and now for instance 12. Rb1 Qc3+ (Qxa2!?) 13. Bd2 Qd4 the difference with the above being that b7 is not hanging and black should weather the storm and emerge with the advantage I think.

  

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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #8 - 06/02/07 at 01:55:18
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Hmm, After 12 Rb1 Qa3, there is 13.Bc1! then 13...Qa5 14.Bd2 Qxa2 15.Rxb7 is losing for Black. Fritz says +0.85
  
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Re: A line found in 6.f3 English Attack
Reply #7 - 06/02/07 at 00:31:18
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Hmm, I guess you are right. After what you have said, I cannot think of what White should play. However, isn't ...b6 a bit weakening? after that, maybe White can try some Nxb6 and Bxb6 ideas. Since the knight is lost, White might as well get two pawns for it.
  
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