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Re: Classical dragon question
Reply #5 - 07/07/07 at 22:58:06
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I thought something as 1. e4-c5 2.Nf3-d6 3.d4-cd4 4.Nd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-g6 6.Be2 (or Bc4)-Bg7 7.Bg5-Qa5
Then white cannot take on f6 with the idea of Nd5 because of the pin. And in blitz, it is amazing how many people think there is a threat on the Nc3 and forget the Bg5 is not protected Smiley
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Classical dragon question
Reply #4 - 07/07/07 at 20:56:25
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I am not sure about what move order you mean but after Qa5 white can play Bxf6 followed by Nd5 thus making favorable exchanges.


  
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Re: Classical dragon question
Reply #3 - 07/07/07 at 15:56:42
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bragesjo wrote on 06/22/07 at 15:24:56:
In the classical black should play on the queenside as usual.
If white plays Karpovs Bg5 then a6 + b5 idea is to be played. If white plays a4 as response to a6 then black can often play Be6 meeting any f4 with b5 do to tactical plays like Qb6+ and Nxe4 if white captures on b5.

Is there something wrong with playing Qa5 instantly after Bg5?
  

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Re: Classical dragon question
Reply #2 - 06/22/07 at 15:24:56
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In the classical black should play on the queenside as usual.
If black gets the e4 pawn in return for an exchange sac blacks is usually better.
In many lines the d5 break is good.
If white plays Karpovs Bg5 then a6 + b5 idea is to be played. If white plays a4 as response to a6 then black can often play Be6 meeting any f4 with b5 do to tactical plays like Qb6+ and Nxe4 if white captures on b5.
If white plays an early premutere f4 then Qb6 is almost always a good move.
In some lines black provoces white to play f5 to give black the e5 square.
  
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Re: Classical dragon question
Reply #1 - 06/22/07 at 02:49:58
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When I played the Accelerated Dragon and had to meet the Classical Variation, my aim was simple: to sac the exchange on c3 and get pawn e4 in return.  Cool

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.Nc3 (imprecise; I now think 5.Be2 Bg7 6.Nb3 Nf6 7.Nc3 better, but have never met it) Bg7 6.Be3 (6.Nb3 Bxc3+!?) Nf6 7.Be2 0-0 8.Nb3 (or Black will play ...d5, which is one of his main goals, even if this involves a loss of tempo with d7-d6-d5) d6 (here is the transposition) 9.f4 Be6 10.0-0 (10.g4 Rc8 11.f5 Bxb3 12.axb3 d5) Rc8 11.g4 (11.f5 Bd7 12.g4 Ne5 13.Bd4 Rxc3! or 11.Bf3 Na5 12.Nxa5 Qxa5 13.Rf2 Rxc3!) Na5 12.f5 (12.g5 Rxc3!) Bc4 13.Nxa5 Bxe2 14.Qxe2 Qxa5 15.g5 Rxc3 with equality at least for Black.

This is reason for me to believe, that 9.Be3 in the Classical Dragon is imprecise. Karpov preferred 9.Bg5, but it looks like a6 idea 10...b5 gives enough counterplay.
After I had abandoned the Accelareated Dragon 9.Re1 gaines some popularity. I don't think this is really dangerous, but also don't know what Black's best plan is.
Remains 9.Kh1, when Be6 (a6 10.f4) is best: 10.f4 a5 11.a4 Qb6! Van den Berg-Larsen, Beverwijk 1959. White should play 10.Bg5 and Black still has to prove equality.

All in all Black tries to initiate counterplay on the queen's wing indeed. The reason is simple: the c-file and the dragon-diagonal intersect on c3. If possible, Black plays ...d5 to neutralize White's centre-control.
The question is, if Black's counterplay is enough if White choses 9.Kh1 Be6 10.Bg5. Quite double-edged is the insertion of x...a5 y.a4. Sure b4 is a nice square for the black knight, but so is b5 for the white one. A serious objection is, that Black cannot use a5 anymore. A logical plan is to leave the pawn on a7 and transfer the knight-c6 to c4.
I hope this helps a bit.
  

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Classical dragon question
06/22/07 at 01:27:28
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After searching the dragon forum it became obvious to me that most of that posts were geared toward the Yugoslav attack, which is logical because it is the most aggresive and the most controversal of all the lines.  However, when playing the dragon I have been having the most trouble against the classical, the lines where white plays Be2 and 0-0.  I feel the reason for this is because whilst in the Yugoslav, black's goal is simple, white has casteled queenside and black thus attacks on the kingside,  but in the classical, I find myself not knowing what to do!  White castled kingside so queenside expansion seems prosaic.  What are black's goals in the classical variation?  It is attack on the kingside?  Mere expansion on the queenside?  Please help!
  
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