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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #48 - 02/01/08 at 03:14:09
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I just have a question of taxonomy.   

I know the Tolush-Geller Gambit (1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dc4 5.e4) is usually considered a Slav, but do Semi-Slav authors also cover this gambit? It seems at least similar to some of the Noteboom/Abrahams' lines in taste if not exact move order.
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #47 - 02/01/08 at 01:12:45
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hennie286 wrote on 06/26/07 at 16:15:33:
I have the Shirov DVD for a couple of days and he covers in the Slav/Semi-Slav DVD  some slav games (He says that Ne5 is not good anymore because of c5 and Bg6, game of Kramnik, however I need to watch that video) and then some semi-slav games. He tells that the Dutch variation e3 is better for white than Ne5. Oke, I need to see that.

After that he covers some more Botvinnik games. He explaines everything much better than Loek van Wely with his dutch accent ( I know that because he lived in my town, Oss   Smiley  ) in the Botwinnik system.

Everyone who plays the slav, semi-slav Botwinnik can buy the DVD with confidence. Recommended.


      I have the Shirov DVD and it is really excellent. On the DVD, Shirov recommends van Wely's DVD on D43-44. I am very interested in D44 (from White point of view). Aside from the issue of van Wely's Dutch accent, is his DVD worth getting for my purpose?
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #46 - 12/13/07 at 15:25:10
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According to the Quality Chess website, it is due out in Jan 2008

http://www.qualitychessbooks.com/newspop.aspx?news_ID=43
  
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Reply #45 - 12/08/07 at 14:06:47
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Antillian wrote on 11/25/07 at 16:28:33:
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btw anyone knows when this book from quality chess comes out?


According to the Quality Chess website, it is at the typesetting stage.


i hope its in time for christmas!  Undecided
  
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Reply #44 - 11/25/07 at 16:28:33
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btw anyone knows when this book from quality chess comes out?


According to the Quality Chess website, it is at the typesetting stage.
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #43 - 11/21/07 at 16:32:57
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lnn2 wrote on 08/23/07 at 15:22:55:
i had in mind the Aronian-Anand Linares 2007- type of endgame after 4.Qc2 dxc4 5.Qxc4 Bf5 6.g3 Nbd7
7.Nc3 e6 8.Bg2 Be7 9.O-O O-O 10.Re1 Ne4 11.Qb3 Qb6 12.Nh4 where only White can win  (see especially the games of GM Agrest!). I tried to make 10... Bg6!? 11. e4 b5 work but Bu Xiangzhi-Motylev Biel 2007 was a cold shower.  Undecided your 4... g6 line definitely seems more reliable against 4. Qc2. I think this is perhaps why guys like Agrest and Alekseev prefer 4. Qb3 instead of 4. Qc2. 
So what would you do against 4. Qb3? Anything better than 4. Qb3 dxc4? to answer my own question, I suppose 4. Qb3 e6 looks reasonable, but am not sure if White can't then fight for an advantage with say 5. g3!?


I think there is also an interesting sac-Variation for black starting with 12...Bb4!? (Alekseev-Najer, Aeroflot 2007) - look chesspub March 07
  
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Reply #42 - 11/21/07 at 15:26:36
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btw anyone knows when this book from quality chess comes out?
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #41 - 08/23/07 at 15:51:59
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against 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Qc2/4.Qb3 I give 4...dxc4 and go right down the main line. The 10.Re1 thing is annoying but not the end of the world. 4.Qc2 g6 is also good, but then 4.Qb3 becomes an issue. 4...e6 5.Bg5 (5.g3 dxc4!=) is an odd QGD with White's queen on b3, but this is not really the kind of position a Semi-Slav player wants.
  
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Reply #40 - 08/23/07 at 15:22:55
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i had in mind the Aronian-Anand Linares 2007- type of endgame after 4.Qc2 dxc4 5.Qxc4 Bf5 6.g3 Nbd7
7.Nc3 e6 8.Bg2 Be7 9.O-O O-O 10.Re1 Ne4 11.Qb3 Qb6 12.Nh4 where only White can win  (see especially the games of GM Agrest!). I tried to make 10... Bg6!? 11. e4 b5 work but Bu Xiangzhi-Motylev Biel 2007 was a cold shower.  Undecided your 4... g6 line definitely seems more reliable against 4. Qc2. I think this is perhaps why guys like Agrest and Alekseev prefer 4. Qb3 instead of 4. Qc2. 
So what would you do against 4. Qb3? Anything better than 4. Qb3 dxc4? to answer my own question, I suppose 4. Qb3 e6 looks reasonable, but am not sure if White can't then fight for an advantage with say 5. g3!?
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #39 - 08/23/07 at 13:09:03
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Hey alumbrado!

We play exactly the same way against Qc2!  I've only played it in casual and online games so far (and one game against a 1500 USCF, but that didn't really count), but I've been very happy with my positions as Black.  (What I do with those positions.... Lips Sealed )

Have you faced this in a serious game against a relatively strong player?  If so, how did White continue?  I've seen some GM games, but Black's play is natural and good even in the model games.

I've never had White play Qc2-Qb3 that I can recall, but Qb6 would certainly have been one of my candidates.
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #38 - 08/23/07 at 10:24:15
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lnn2 wrote on 08/23/07 at 05:55:55:
Hi Fluffy (or anyone else who got the book!),

is there any good solution for 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qc2/4. Qb3 in the book? it seems Black has no clear way to equalise at the moment.. Undecided


This is interesting.  I have dabbled with 4.Qc2  with White, intending the gambit 4...dxc4 5.e4!? but I have had a hard time finding any advantage if Black plays 4...g6 5.Bf4 Bg7 [5...Na6 isn't bad either, it seems to me] 6.e3 Bf5 7.Qb3 Qb6

What is it you don't like as Black there?
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #37 - 08/23/07 at 05:55:55
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Hi Fluffy (or anyone else who got the book!),

is there any good solution for 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qc2/4. Qb3 in the book? it seems Black has no clear way to equalise at the moment.. Undecided
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #36 - 08/02/07 at 12:54:01
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/01/07 at 23:30:19:
Fluffy, 

Yeah, the Burgess book came out only a couple of years ago while the Exchange Slav book is decades old now.  Still, Donaldson recommended it to me and who was I to say no?  (Oh yeah, the one who was going to buy it! D'oh!)  Despite its age, I prefer Donaldson's coverage of the Slav Exchange to Burgess'.  I also prefer Flear's coverage in his classic The Slav for the Tournament Player (not his more recent book).

I'll ask questions specific to the Exchange Slav in other threads.


Donaldson wrote, what, three books about the Slav with, as I recall, Jeremy Silman.  I believe I have them all.  I still refer to the Exchange Slav book from time to time.  It's good for its systematic coverage, which you don't see much in openings books any more.  More often you see a selection of lines that the author considers important or interesting, and for a systematic outline of variations, or an analysis of the less common ones, you're pretty much on you own.

Sort of like tripping through the Alps, always gazing at the mountaintops.

Perhaps this makes sense given the prevalence of data bases, but I do appreciate it when an openings work attempts more or less exhaustive coverage of its subject.  A good example is Dearing's work on the Nf3, Rb1 Exchange Gruenfeld.
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #35 - 08/02/07 at 10:57:59
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/01/07 at 19:21:38:
Fluffy, again thanks.

I wasn't thinking too much about why 2...c6 would be preferred over 2...e6 if Black was intent on playing both moves anyway when I wrote my note.  I see now that one major advantage is to play the Slav Exchange rather than the QG Exchange as Black.  (I prefer the Slav Exchange too.)

Kaufman in the Chess Advantage In Black And White advocates 2...e6 and the Triangle partly because he prefers Black's chances in the QG Exchange over the Slav Exchange WHERE Black can freely develop his light-squared bishop to f5 (as he can by using the Triangle move order). The downside, as others have noted before, is that this allows the Marshall Gambit
  
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Re: Semi-Slav Repertoire
Reply #34 - 08/01/07 at 23:30:19
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Fluffy, 

Yeah, the Burgess book came out only a couple of years ago while the Exchange Slav book is decades old now.  Still, Donaldson recommended it to me and who was I to say no?  (Oh yeah, the one who was going to buy it! D'oh!)  Despite its age, I prefer Donaldson's coverage of the Slav Exchange to Burgess'.  I also prefer Flear's coverage in his classic The Slav for the Tournament Player (not his more recent book).

I'll ask questions specific to the Exchange Slav in other threads.
  
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