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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #10 - 06/28/07 at 18:58:52
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MarinFan is right - after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 exd4 4.Qxd4, Seel prefers both 4...a6 and 4...Nf6, stating (although I am paraphrasing from memory of the German edition - and my German is less than conversational) that he does not believe Black can equalise after 4...Nc6 - which he consequently does not analyse.
  

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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #9 - 06/28/07 at 10:22:40
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Well, I haven't used a site. I have analysed these games with my coach and a friend. Here is another, less critical, but nice game I forgot to mention (from a simultane by Alekhine):

{Event " NED simul"}
{Date "1933"}
{Round "-"}
{White "Alekhine, Alexander"}
{Black "Van Mindeno, H"}
{ECO "C62"}

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 d6 4. d4 exd4 5. Qxd4 Bd7 6. Bxc6 Bxc6 7. Nc3 Nf6 8. Bg5 Be7 9. O-O-O O-O 10. h4 h6 11. Nd5 hxg5 12. Nxe7+ Qxe7 13. hxg5 Nxe4 14. Rh5 Qe6 15. Rdh1 f5 16. Ne5 dxe5 17. g6 1–0

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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #8 - 06/28/07 at 09:20:40
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Hello,

Model games are very useful to learn and just wondered if you had sources where games referred to are annotated. I found the Alekhine one in the chess stars series, and it had several notes from Kotov, but could not find the game in  the Kotov book that I have.

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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #7 - 06/27/07 at 18:49:04
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Hello,

I haven't got his book yet but by his games Christian Seel seems to prefer line

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 exd4 4.Qxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Be7 6.Bg5 0-0 7.0-0-0 Nc6 8.Qd2 Be6  for black. This, and 4..a6 looks better than the Ruy-lopez one, but would still prefer white.

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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #6 - 06/27/07 at 04:15:37
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And what is E. Z. Adams-Torre, chopped liver?
  
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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #5 - 06/27/07 at 03:45:31
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This line is one of my favourites against the Philidor & the Spanish Steinitz (if I'm lucky enough and Black plays exd4 Wink) - the improved Hanham looks like a better bet for Black imo (if (s)he doesn't mind some passive defence and a high possibility of a draw).

I used as model games the oldies: Anderssen A.-Paulsen, 1873 Vienna (featuring 11. h4!?) & Alekhine-Andersen E., 1933 Folkestone Ol (in the Alekhine game a Knight endgame arises, which seems to be happening a lot in my games too; a feature of the Qxd4 variation).
  

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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #4 - 06/26/07 at 23:34:43
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Well, black might consider playing 4...a6 and following up with 5...Nc6 thus avoiding variations with Bb5. A fairly recent example is Vuckovic (2540)-Markovic (2485), 0-1 (47), Budva, september 2004.
  
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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #3 - 06/26/07 at 23:08:32
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Yes, I think you are right, that must be C62, although I can't imagine any good players playing that way as Black any more! Smiley
  
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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #2 - 06/26/07 at 22:22:10
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I'm not sure where I learned to play it that way -- I think maybe Tarrasch in "The Game of Chess" declared that the space advantage and the centralized queen gave White a slight edge despite giving up the bishop pair after 4...Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7.  I seem to remember Morphy playing it that way, too.  Surely that's enough to keep it out of the dustbin.

I wonder -- after 4...Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 have we transposed to a Ruy Lopez Steinitz Defense?  Maybe that's where I should be looking.

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Re: Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
Reply #1 - 06/26/07 at 22:11:12
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No, I can't find any games with Qxd4, I guess it is not played any more? Anyway, as a former Philidor aficionado maybe I should look at it again, the last time was a long, long time ago! Smiley
  
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Philidor 4.Qxd4 - Any coverage on this site?
06/26/07 at 21:25:27
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Paul Motwani, in annotating Djuric - Pegorari, Cutro 1999, for this site, writes that 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 ed 4.Qxd4 "is a major alternative" to 4.Nxd4.  However, I cannot find any coverage of this major alternative, even in the guides.  Is it filed somewhere besides C41?

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