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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #33 - 06/23/14 at 20:09:45
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flaviddude wrote on 08/21/07 at 13:53:43:
I shall be writing three articles for "The Australian Correspondence Chess Quarterly on the piece blunder variation of the Taimonov Variation. I shall post them here.


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd 5. cxd d6 6. e4 g7 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5 Nbd7 9. e5 dxe 10.fxe Nh5 11.e6  Qh4 and now three variations

a) 12. g3 Ng3 13. Nf3 this line has become extinct in my opinion for very good resons. Nevertheless it should be analyed to show how black has at least a draw.

b) 12. g3 Ng3 13. hxg this is the old main line with games on this web site.

c) 12 Kd2 I have been examining this for a long time. I shall publish my analysis but it is so treacherous that there may be errors. I think that white is better but one slip and the wheels come off.



A recent game with b) I just watched
  

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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #32 - 10/27/07 at 16:06:47
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sssthepro wrote on 10/27/07 at 06:23:07:
I have one question about the Modern Benoni. After 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.Nc3 g6 7.e4 Bg7 8.h3 0-0 9.Bd3 b6

I have quite a bit of problems in this line, because I dont know how to win. Black's plan is to play ...Ba6 to exchange the white squared bishop. If White plays Bxa6, then Black will play Na6-c7, pressuring d5 to prevent e4-e5. Else, Black will whack on d3, prevent e5 with Re8, Nbd7 and Qc7, and then slowly expand with a6-b5.

Is there a line here that allows White to gain an advantage? If not, can someone tell me what is the best line here? Thanks


I don't think anyone can give a recipe for "how to win"; I suppose you remember this thread, though http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1182467733 .  I think your idea of a quick e5 deserves attention (it was played by one GM that I recall, though he ended up losing).  A slower preparation of e5 could involve the idea that e5, if it comes (with White having played f4 and Black ...f6), should lead to greater exposure of Black's king.

  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #31 - 10/27/07 at 06:23:07
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I have one question about the Modern Benoni. After 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.Nc3 g6 7.e4 Bg7 8.h3 0-0 9.Bd3 b6

I have quite a bit of problems in this line, because I dont know how to win. Black's plan is to play ...Ba6 to exchange the white squared bishop. If White plays Bxa6, then Black will play Na6-c7, pressuring d5 to prevent e4-e5. Else, Black will whack on d3, prevent e5 with Re8, Nbd7 and Qc7, and then slowly expand with a6-b5.

Is there a line here that allows White to gain an advantage? If not, can someone tell me what is the best line here? Thanks
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #30 - 10/26/07 at 11:17:12
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I'm avoiding the taimanov attach with the move order 1. d4 e6 2. c4 c5
e.g. 3. d5 exd5 4. cxd5 d6 5. Nc3 g6 6. e4 Bg7 7. f4 a6 8. a4 Nf6 and we have reached the 4 pawn attack of the KID which is playable for black (black has an extra tempo compared to the taimanov attack).
The downside of this move order is that around 10 % of the white players play 2. e4.
The best move for black is of course d5, transposing to the french. Black can also try c5, hoping for Nf3 and transposing to the sicilian, but white can play d5 transposing to the franco-benoni and that is not much fun for black.
From a practical point of view, the 1. .. e6 move order is worth a try. You can then also avoid the modern main line with Ne7 instead of Nf6, but I would not recommend that.
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #29 - 09/17/07 at 06:57:00
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Ok,

I'll start a new thread on the Franco-Benoni.
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #28 - 09/16/07 at 19:01:26
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kylemeister wrote on 09/16/07 at 18:05:50:
That the Franco-Benoni is "a blunder," "completely busted" and "comes very close to losing by force" does seem to have escaped the notice of for instance (a) a number of GMs and IMs who have played it in recent years; (b) the authors of all those opening encyclopedias which assess its main lines as slightly better for White.


...and (c) myself  Wink

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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #27 - 09/16/07 at 18:05:50
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That the Franco-Benoni is "a blunder," "completely busted" and "comes very close to losing by force" does seem to have escaped the notice of for instance (a) a number of GMs and IMs who have played it in recent years; (b) the authors of all those opening encyclopedias which assess its main lines as slightly better for White.
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #26 - 09/16/07 at 15:45:19
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Word of Warning

(From someone who thought this might be an easy way to get away from some of the deeply theoretical lines of the Modern Benoni):

The Franco-Benoni is just bad.  Even bad openings can have nice names.  In this case, White has all the fun.  I now only play it as White and have a perfect score in slow time controls.  This isn't a Schmidt Benoni or some almost playable line.  This line is completely busted and should rightly be considered a blunder.  (Oh yeah, some people have argued that a blunder is only a move that loses outright.  This comes very close to losing by force.)
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #25 - 09/15/07 at 21:47:04
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There's one game that has stuck in my memory under "Franco-Benoni" ...


[Event "San Antonio"]
[Site ""]
[Date "1972.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Browne, Walter Shawn"]
[Black "Evans, Larry Melvyn"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[NIC "OI 8.4"]
[ECO "A43"]
[PlyCount "49"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 c5 3. d5 exd5 4. exd5 d6 5. Nc3 Nf6 6. Nf3 Be7 7. Be2 O-O 8. Nd2 Na6
9. Nc4 Nc7 10. a4 b6 11. O-O Bb7 12. Bf3 Qd7 13. Bf4 Rfe8 14. Qd3 h6 15. Bg3 Bf8
16. Rfd1 Ba6 17. b3 Ng4 18. Re1 Rxe1  19. Rxe1 Re8 20. Rxe8 Qxe8 21. Qe4 Nf6 22.
Qxe8 Nfxe8 23. Ne3 g6 24. h4 h5 25. Ne4 1/2-1/2
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #24 - 09/15/07 at 21:05:31
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o.k., looked up some games, the critical continuation is e4 e6 d4 c5 d5!
in these symmetrical positions black is just cramped without much counterplay,
but for someone playing french could be quite a good move order, he is more flexible with the knight ...
  
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Reply #23 - 09/15/07 at 20:45:24
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I have another question, I now came accross a book on the "franco-benoni" in a shop,
where you play e6 and c5 leaving out Nf6, since I play the sicilian taimanov with c5 and e6, this system could suit me, but does anyone know what is the downside of this system? I do not think there is flick knife attack in this.
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #22 - 09/12/07 at 07:00:08
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The Averbakh KID (with Black playing ...c5) does transpose into the Benoni, but only with the collusion of both players.  Many of the most interesting lines don't transpose.
  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #21 - 09/12/07 at 01:08:41
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also can't you just enter the benoni in the KID move order?
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 c5


If you want to play like this the correct moveorder is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 (3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5) d6 4.Nc3 g6 5.e4 Bg7 6.Nf3 0-0 7.Be2 e6 as 8.dxe6 Bxe6 is quite playable for Black, despite the backward pawn on d6.
White has many other systems available of course, eg 6.Bd3 or 7.h3 and 8.Bd3.
I have played this as Black for a while and it served me well.
  

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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #20 - 09/12/07 at 00:09:17
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Hello,

isn't the 4-pawns attack in the KID quite like a benoni pawn storm system?

d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f4 0-0 Nf3 c5 d5, but the KID is still playable, and the benoni is not?

also can't you just enter the benoni in the KID move order?
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 c5




1.  Indeed, that sort of Four Pawns can be reached through either the Benoni or KID, but you seem to be lumping it together with the "Flick-Knife Attack," which is considered more promising for White, and can only be reached via the Benoni.

2.  It's not that simple, since after 6...c5 White can (and probably should) play 7. 0-0.  Then one line is  7...Nc6 8. d5 Na5, when you might say we have a Benoni-ish position, but it's considered better for White than the position after 7. d5.

  
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Re: Current Concensus on Modern Benoni
Reply #19 - 09/11/07 at 22:24:59
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Hello,

isn't the 4-pawns attack in the KID quite like a benoni pawn storm system?

d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f4 0-0 Nf3 c5 d5, but the KID is still playable, and the benoni is not?

also can't you just enter the benoni in the KID move order?
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 c5

  
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