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Re: Pirc 4. Bf4
Reply #7 - 08/09/07 at 19:05:12
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Thank you. I bow to your superior chess wisdom.
  
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Re: Pirc 4. Bf4
Reply #6 - 08/09/07 at 15:09:42
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1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Bc4 c5 7.dxc5 Qa5 8.cxd6 Nxe4 9.dxe7 Re8

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Why would I have played 10. 0-0 in that position?


How else to deal with the triple threat on the Knight on c3?

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Why wouldn't Black have played 10. ... Rxe7?


After 10.O-O Rxe7, White has 11.Nxe4 Rxe4 12.Bxf7+ with the idea 12. - Kxf7 13. Ng5+ which looks good at first glance.

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Re: Pirc 4. Bf4
Reply #5 - 08/08/07 at 21:30:05
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belgian wrote on 08/08/07 at 16:23:14:
After 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Bf4 Bg7 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Bc4 Re8 7. 0-0 c5 8. dxc5 Qa5 9. cxd6 Nxe4 the Knight isn't pinned and 10. Nxe4 is possible.

I give up..... you're right, but the other way doesn't make sense to me either. Why would I have played 10. 0-0 in that position? Why wouldn't Black have played 10. ... Rxe7?
  
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Re: Pirc 4. Bf4
Reply #4 - 08/08/07 at 16:23:14
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Oops..... you're right, or nearly right, it must have been 6. ... Re8 and 7. 0-0 before 7. ...c5. Thanks!


After 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Bf4 Bg7 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Bc4 Re8 7. 0-0 c5 8. dxc5 Qa5 9. cxd6 Nxe4 the Knight isn't pinned and 10. Nxe4 is possible.

I would venture the correct sequence to be 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Bc4 c5 7.dxc5 Qa5 8.cxd6 Nxe4 9.dxe7 Re8 10.O-O Nxc3 11.bxc3 Qxc3 12.Qd8 etc. 

Incidentally, the normal move in this variation is 6. Qd2. I like Black's prospects after 6. Bc4 Nxe4 (instead of 6. - c5 as in the game) 7. Nxe4 d5.

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Re: Pirc 4. Bf4
Reply #3 - 08/08/07 at 15:03:00
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JEH wrote on 08/07/07 at 22:55:40:
Is your game score correct though, as why not take the Rook on your move 10, and 11. Qd8 is illegal since Qxc3 is check? I'd guess you are missing 9. ...Re8 and 10. 0-0.

Oops..... you're right, or nearly right, it must have been 6. ... Re8 and 7. 0-0 before 7. ...c5. Thanks!
  
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Re: Pirc 4. Bf4
Reply #2 - 08/07/07 at 22:55:40
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Bf4 is known to theory and it's not a bad move. I don't think 4. Bf4 has independant significance since White will either play Nf3 to stop e5 coming with a gain of tempo, or Qd2/Bh6, when the Bishop could have come from e3 or g5.  However 4. Be3 and 4. Bg5 set Black more problems than 4. Bf4 so it's not as popular.

After your Bc4 though, Black could have gone for the thematic tactic Nxe4. Instead they went for a different thematic tactic, c5, but you were too well deveoped for this to work. Seems that your 4. Bf4 got them out of book and they didn't analyse c5 properly, so another lazy Pirc player bites the dust!

Is your game score correct though, as why not take the Rook on your move 10, and 11. Qd8 is illegal since Qxc3 is check? I'd guess you are missing 9. ...Re8 and 10. 0-0.
  
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Re: Pirc 4. Bf4
Reply #1 - 08/07/07 at 21:07:52
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I've certainly seen Bf4, but probably after Nf3.
  
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Pirc 4. Bf4
08/07/07 at 20:47:59
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I've never really studied the Pirc, so when my opponent played it against me I just thought I'd stumble my way around.... this is what happened:

1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Bf4 Bg7 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Bc4 Re8 7. 0-0 c5 8. dxc5 Qa5 9. cxd6 Nxe4 10. dxe7 Nxc3 11. bxc3 Qxc3 12. Qd8!?

Not often you get to play a move like that in the opening!

12... Bd7 13. Bxb8 Rxb8 14. Bxf7+ Kxf7 15. Qxd7 Rxe7

After the game (which I won) I turned to the books and websites to find out what should have been played, but it seems no-one's even heard of 4. Bf4 being a possible move. Too passive, I suppose?
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