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Re: Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
Reply #7 - 08/13/07 at 19:54:43
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thibdb13 wrote on 08/12/07 at 17:25:05:
JEH wrote on 08/12/07 at 17:18:00:
thibdb13 wrote on 08/12/07 at 16:53:25:
JEH wrote on 08/12/07 at 09:00:25:
Black can also go for de and Ng4!


Do you mean 4.Bg5-Bg7 5.Bc4-Ng4?
What is the idea behind this. White can just play 6.h3 winning a tempo and strongly reducing black's light squares bishop possibilities.


It's the line in your previous post. Playing Ng4 in the other line is obviously pointless  Roll Eyes

Oh, sorry!!  Embarrassed


No problem  Cool
  

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Re: Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
Reply #6 - 08/12/07 at 17:25:05
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JEH wrote on 08/12/07 at 17:18:00:
thibdb13 wrote on 08/12/07 at 16:53:25:
JEH wrote on 08/12/07 at 09:00:25:
Black can also go for de and Ng4!


Do you mean 4.Bg5-Bg7 5.Bc4-Ng4?
What is the idea behind this. White can just play 6.h3 winning a tempo and strongly reducing black's light squares bishop possibilities.


It's the line in your previous post. Playing Ng4 in the other line is obviously pointless  Roll Eyes

Oh, sorry!!  Embarrassed
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
Reply #5 - 08/12/07 at 17:18:00
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thibdb13 wrote on 08/12/07 at 16:53:25:
JEH wrote on 08/12/07 at 09:00:25:
Black can also go for de and Ng4!


Do you mean 4.Bg5-Bg7 5.Bc4-Ng4?
What is the idea behind this. White can just play 6.h3 winning a tempo and strongly reducing black's light squares bishop possibilities.


It's the line in your previous post. Playing Ng4 in the other line is obviously pointless  Roll Eyes
  

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Re: Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
Reply #4 - 08/12/07 at 16:53:25
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JEH wrote on 08/12/07 at 09:00:25:
Black can also go for de and Ng4!


Do you mean 4.Bg5-Bg7 5.Bc4-Ng4?
What is the idea behind this. White can just play 6.h3 winning a tempo and strongly reducing black's light squares bishop possibilities.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
Reply #3 - 08/12/07 at 16:48:17
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TopNotch wrote on 08/12/07 at 07:00:30:
thibdb13 wrote on 08/11/07 at 17:44:01:
Some days ago, I saw this move order in a blitz tournament: 1. e4-d6 2. d4-Nf6 3. Nc3-Nf6 4. Bg5-Bg7 5. Bc4!? I don't know how the game went on (I was busy with my own one) but I'd like to know what Pirc "experts" think of the combination Bg5/Bc4 and how should black react to it.


1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bg7 5.e5!? looks quite interesting too and maybe a bit underrated.

Toppy Smiley

after 5. e5-de5 6.de5-Ng4, it is quite difficult for white to get an advantage if black knows what he is doing (Chernin and Alburt give some good explanation in their "Pirc Alert") and by experience, I would say that cautious play gives black at least a draw.
  

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Re: Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
Reply #2 - 08/12/07 at 09:00:25
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After Bc4, the first move to consider is Nxe4. It's a standard combo and seems to work ok here too. The other downside of Bc4 is that Black could just get on with a c6/b5 plan a get a tempo.

As for the Toppy line, e5 seems premature to me. Nfd7 and the White centre has walked into the black square minefield, and you can kiss it goodbye  Kiss
Very sharp though. Black can also go for de and Ng4!

  

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Re: Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
Reply #1 - 08/12/07 at 07:00:30
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thibdb13 wrote on 08/11/07 at 17:44:01:
Some days ago, I saw this move order in a blitz tournament: 1. e4-d6 2. d4-Nf6 3. Nc3-Nf6 4. Bg5-Bg7 5. Bc4!? I don't know how the game went on (I was busy with my own one) but I'd like to know what Pirc "experts" think of the combination Bg5/Bc4 and how should black react to it.


1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bg7 5.e5!? looks quite interesting too and maybe a bit underrated.

Toppy Smiley
  

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Pirc with Bg5 and Bc4
08/11/07 at 17:44:01
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Some days ago, I saw this move order in a blitz tournament: 1. e4-d6 2. d4-Nf6 3. Nc3-Nf6 4. Bg5-Bg7 5. Bc4!? I don't know how the game went on (I was busy with my own one) but I'd like to know what Pirc "experts" think of the combination Bg5/Bc4 and how should black react to it.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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