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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #19 - 05/05/08 at 10:58:16
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I agree with MNB that playing d5 to transpose to a Schmid-Benoni may be Whites strongest continuation - and it would be enough to put me off the line for Black.

Interestingly though, from a psychological point of view I dont see many 1.e4 players going into this, since the Schmid-Benoni is more normal for 1.d4 players.

  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #18 - 05/02/08 at 16:21:16
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MNb wrote on 05/02/08 at 01:53:06:
The few sources I know (and I hardly ever rely on ECO and NCO) suggest a sound and lasting += after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.d5 Nf6 (4...d6 allows the option 5.Bb5+) 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Be2 d6 7.0-0. What puts me off is that Black hardly ever generates counterplay, if White continues with a4, Re1, h3, Bf4 in some move order.


I would think that Black's position has a fair amount of coiled-springiness, with moves like Na6-c7, b6, Bb7, a6, Qd7, Rad8 -- putting pressure against d5 (versus e5) and slowly preparing ...b5 and/or ...e6.  Seems to me in contrast with how Black used to play such positions, going more directly for ...b5 (maybe Botvinnik-Schmid was an extreme example).  Also 7...e6 is well-regarded by some sources, e.g. unclear in ECO and NCO.   

Re Kaziglub, my impression is that Black should indeed prefer 5...d6, which of course allows 6. Bb5+ (reminds me of the Franco-Benoni ...).  It seems that some (e.g. Yermolinsky if I recall correctly) regard that as promising for White/better than 6. Be2, but that doesn't seem to be a consensus view (e.g. the encyclopedias don't agree with it).
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #17 - 05/02/08 at 06:17:48
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MNb wrote on 05/02/08 at 01:53:06:
The few sources I know (and I hardly ever rely on ECO and NCO) suggest a sound and lasting += after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.d5 Nf6 (4...d6 allows the option 5.Bb5+) 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Be2 d6 7.0-0. What puts me off is that Black hardly ever generates counterplay, if White continues with a4, Re1, h3, Bf4 in some move order.

6.e5! score very well for white.
  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #16 - 05/02/08 at 01:53:06
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The few sources I know (and I hardly ever rely on ECO and NCO) suggest a sound and lasting += after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.d5 Nf6 (4...d6 allows the option 5.Bb5+) 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Be2 d6 7.0-0. What puts me off is that Black hardly ever generates counterplay, if White continues with a4, Re1, h3, Bf4 in some move order.
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #15 - 05/01/08 at 21:18:07
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MNb wrote on 05/01/08 at 20:45:00:
Kaziglub wrote on 04/28/08 at 10:37:38:

After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7!? 4.c4 black con now play something like 4...d6 or 4...Qa5+, avoiding the Maroczy bind.

As you yourself have pointed out in the thread on Starting out: the Acc. Dragon 4.d5 allows White to play a Schmidt-Benoni. I just had forgotten that the pawn still is on c2. In my opinion this price is too high to avoid the Maroczy, see Karpov-Kortsjnoj, Meran 1978.
The other option is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 and now I wonder if the gambit Nf6 5.c4 is correct. This occurred only a few times and nobody dared to take the pawn. Play might be Nxe4 6.Qe2 Nf6 7.Nb5 d6 8.c5 and now not dxc5?? 9.Bf4.
If this gambit indeed is correct I will have to repeat my previous question: what is the advantage of the Hyperaccelerated compared to the  Accelerated Proper?


That seems to be a favorable (for Black) version of the Schmid, though, since White can't play f4 and Bb5+.  It seems that Black's play in Karpov-Kortchnoi was pretty dubious (e.g. the ...Nh5-f6 bit).  ECO and NCO think that sort of Schmid is better for Black than the Maroczy (as in equal versus +/=).  Going by sources such as those, White would have a better chance of advantage after 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. d5 if he were allowed to get in c4.
  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #14 - 05/01/08 at 20:45:00
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Kaziglub wrote on 04/28/08 at 10:37:38:

After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7!? 4.c4 black con now play something like 4...d6 or 4...Qa5+, avoiding the Maroczy bind.

As you yourself have pointed out in the thread on Starting out: the Acc. Dragon 4.d5 allows White to play a Schmidt-Benoni. I just had forgotten that the pawn still is on c2. In my opinion this price is too high to avoid the Maroczy, see Karpov-Kortsjnoj, Meran 1978.
The other option is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 and now I wonder if the gambit Nf6 5.c4 is correct. This occurred only a few times and nobody dared to take the pawn. Play might be Nxe4 6.Qe2 Nf6 7.Nb5 d6 8.c5 and now not dxc5?? 9.Bf4.
If this gambit indeed is correct I will have to repeat my previous question: what is the advantage of the Hyperaccelerated compared to the  Accelerated Proper?
  

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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #13 - 04/29/08 at 17:02:57
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But there's a significant bit of overlap between the Pterodactyl and the Hyper, i.e. the major line/position 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. dc Qa5 5. Nf3 (1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. dc Qa5+ 5. Nc3).
  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #12 - 04/29/08 at 16:34:03
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Bibs the other line from 1...g6 with 3.Nc3 is another animal called Pterodactyl Defence - do a search online for some games Lawrence Day annotated - he won a crazy game against Mestel one time and was the main upholder of that particular line. 

I think we are on the fringes of respectable chess theory here, not sure of any good books/sources myself - Khalifman gives good detail of 3.Nc3 c5 4.dxc5! but positions are not easy to handle for either side.

  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #11 - 04/29/08 at 16:28:53
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Bibs wrote on 04/29/08 at 14:56:31:
All,
Just wondering if anyone can help.

What is the best (i.e most detailed) source for the Hyper Accelerated?

I have the Greet Acc Dragon book which has a little. Spurred by the Malakhov game, as mentioned prior by Keano, to find out more.

Either 3...c5 versus 3Nc3 from g6, bg7, or from sicilian move order hence 3Bg7 v 2nf3, d4.

Suggestions? Old is fine. Btw, I already have Opening Rep for Black by the ever-so-slighty-dodgy Alburt, Perelsteyn, Dzinzi combo.

thank you anyone in advance,

Bibs



I seem to recall the Silman/Donaldson book "Accelerated Dragons" having a fair amount of stuff.  I have an edition from about 1993; it seems that there is a 1998 edition which has 22 pages on the Hyper.  (I'm not familiar with the Hansen/Hansen AD book from 2003, but apparently it has about 14 pages on it.)
  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #10 - 04/29/08 at 14:56:31
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All,
Just wondering if anyone can help.

What is the best (i.e most detailed) source for the Hyper Accelerated?

I have the Greet Acc Dragon book which has a little. Spurred by the Malakhov game, as mentioned prior by Keano, to find out more.

Either 3...c5 versus 3Nc3 from g6, bg7, or from sicilian move order hence 3Bg7 v 2nf3, d4.

Suggestions? Old is fine. Btw, I already have Opening Rep for Black by the ever-so-slighty-dodgy Alburt, Perelsteyn, Dzinzi combo.

thank you anyone in advance,

Bibs

  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #9 - 04/29/08 at 14:13:13
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MNb wrote on 08/20/07 at 01:12:24:
I have never been sure what the advantage is of 2...g6 compared to 2...Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6, except avoiding the 3.Bb5 variation.


1. Avoiding the Moroczy Bind! (2...g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6! 5.Nc3 d6 is a Dragon avoiding the Moscow variation 3.Bb5+)
2. Keeping White in the dark. In the above variation 4...Nc6 transposes to the Acc. Dragon. Black avoids the Rossolimo 3.Bb5, but not the Maroczy (5.c4).
3. There's a third option 3.d4 Bg7.

Certain players therefore try 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 intending 3...Nc6 4.d4 which transposes directly into the Maroczy or 3...Bg7 4.d4 after which 4...cxd4 also transposes, while 4...d6 is reputed to be difficult for Black. That leaves 4...Qb6 5.dxc5 Qxc5 with a Maroczy structure, where Black will lose time with the queen, 4...Qa5+ which usually leads to boring endgames, or Keene's 3...Bh6!? if one has a sense of humour.
  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #8 - 04/28/08 at 15:04:49
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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7!? 

I always thought 4.dxc5(!) was problematic for Black, but things might not be so clear as Malakhov won a nice game with Black last year.

It is interesting that Khalifman recommends 4.Nc3 here to transpose back to normal Sicilian lines, so maybe this move-order is a worthwhile attempt for Black if he wants to avoid the Maroczy!?
  
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Reply #7 - 04/28/08 at 10:37:38
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MNb wrote on 08/20/07 at 01:12:24:
I have never been sure what the advantage is of 2...g6 compared to 2...Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6, except avoiding the 3.Bb5 variation.

After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7!? 4.c4 black con now play something like 4...d6 or 4...Qa5+, avoiding the Maroczy bind.
  
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Reply #6 - 08/23/07 at 14:56:13
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/23/07 at 13:34:33:


In fact, I wonder if it's even a Sicilian after 3...Bg7.  Isn't there a line of Pirc that Korchnoi played against Karpov that reached the same position in a World Championship?



You're probably thinking of 6...c5 in the Classical Pirc (played in the decisive 32nd game of their 1978 match, I believe), which becomes a Schmid Benoni if White plays 7. d5 (which Karpov did).
  
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Re: playing hyper accelerated??
Reply #5 - 08/23/07 at 13:34:33
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The hyper accelerated Dragon is extremely popular with two groups of chess players and those two groups probably overlap.

The first group is serious chess kids.  A lot of them have learned they can score gobs of easy points with tactical shots based on ...Qb6/Qa5 and attacking the seemingly well-defended e4 pawn.

The second group is blitz players online. They too score loads of points with a relatively small arsenal of deadly tactical shots.

If White can survive the weird tactics, White is still not guaranteed a great position which is why this opening is so appealing.   

I've been teaching my own students to play the Maroczy Bind against the "hyper" Accelerated Dragon.  They get into comfortable positions that have sound positional elements and they score well.   

Whether Black plays 3...Bg7?! or 3...cd4 and 4...Bg7, White still gets a good game.

In fact, I wonder if it's even a Sicilian after 3...Bg7.  Isn't there a line of Pirc that Korchnoi played against Karpov that reached the same position in a World Championship?
  
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