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Re: a modern line
Reply #10 - 08/25/07 at 09:00:43
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Best line for White I found after Morozevich move 7..Be7!? Ivanchuk-Morozevich,Memorial Donner 1996 (Pavloc,Europe Echecs 1997) is  indeed a mix Be2-Qd2, kind of wait&see strategy for kingside or queenside castling.

8.Be2  (better to do this move first, trying to transpose to: 8.Qd2 a6 9.Be2!? ; if White plays Qd2 first then Black must avoid a6 where White has 9.Be2!? and 9.dxc5! Nxc5 10.Nd4 oo 11.Bd3 with small advantage to White or 9.ooo b5 10.dxc5 Nxc5 11.Qf2  ; my twin brother played as White 8.Qd2 oo 9.ooo a6 10.dxc5 Bxc5 11.Nd4 Nxd4 12.Bxd4 b5 13.Qe3 Bxd4 14.Qxd4 Qc7 15.Bd3 Bb7 16.Rhe1 Nc5 17.f5 exf5 18.Bxf5 Rfe8  and an easy draw for White at the end Laurain G,Nogueiras, COQ 2003) and now

A) 8...a6 9.oo (now better to castle kingside) oo 10.Qd2 b5 11.Nd1 (htreatening c3 and a strong pawn center) cxd4 (11...b4 12.c3 a5 13.Kh1 Ba6 14.Bxa6 Rxa6 15.Rc1 bxc3 16.Nxc3 c4 17.f5 Nb4 18.Ne1 Nc6 19.Qe2 Bg5 20.Rd1 Bxe3 21.Qxe3 f6 22.fxe6 fxe5 23.Nf3 exd4 24.Nxd4 Rxf1+ 25.Rxf1 Nxd4 26.e7 Qe8 27.Qxd4 Qxe7 28.Nxd5 Qe2 29.Kg1 Re6 30.Qa7 Kf8 31.Qf7+ Voitsekhovski-Vitinik,Sochi 2007) 12.Nxd4 Nxd4 13.Bxd4 Nb8 14.Ne3 Nc6 15.c3 and small advantage to White

B) 8...oo 9.Qd2 (9.oo f6!?) cxd4 (9...a6 Timofeev-Wang Hao,Taiyuan 2006 10.oo transposes to A)) 10.Nxd4 Nxd4 11.Bxd4 Nb8 (same strategy as above without a6) 12.oo and a very small advantage for White Timman-Hort,Linares 1983 (Tiemann)

of course White may be disappointed with "the small advantage" assessment, and maybe has to try more risky play for a win like in: 8.g3!?   line Nijboer-Ni Hua, olympiads Turin 2006. Look at game on www.chessgames.com

another line for White is: 8.Qd2 cxd4 (8..a6 or 8..oo see above) 9.Nxd4 oo 10.ooo Bb4 11.Nb3 (now position has transpoed in Nijboer line, analyse in Khalifman book) a6 12.Bd3 (12.a3?! Be7) b5 and so on  (see other threads in French forum)
  

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Re: a modern line
Reply #9 - 08/23/07 at 09:38:14
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Did you see the June supplement?  GM MacDonald points out that White is beginning to come to terms with this opening.  One line that scored for White involved castling kingside.


yes, but Be2+castling kingside do not really convince me. Black gets a good version of the 7...a6 line which is played so far. 
Probably white has to look for something more sophisticated then just Be2,0-0 or Qd2,d4xc5,0-0-0
  
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Re: a modern line
Reply #8 - 08/22/07 at 17:09:33
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Did you see the June supplement?  GM MacDonald points out that White is beginning to come to terms with this opening.  One line that scored for White involved castling kingside.  That seemed to work well.  I won't steal any more of Chess Publishing's thunder here, but check out the French supplement!
  
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Re: a modern line
Reply #7 - 08/22/07 at 09:18:38
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PS: According to my German friend, Black was winning until 25....Qh4??  If Black had played 25....Rac8 then Fritz sees no real defense.  White may have had chances to improve his attack though, so it's still an interesting game. 
 
This game is included in GM MacDonald's February supplement.


I know Smiley Anyway its not a game that one should try to repeat with white... Any other suggestions how to play against 7...Be7 ?
  
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Re: a modern line
Reply #6 - 08/22/07 at 07:42:11
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PS: According to my German friend, Black was winning until 25....Qh4??  If Black had played 25....Rac8 then Fritz sees no real defense.  White may have had chances to improve his attack though, so it's still an interesting game.

This game is included in GM MacDonald's February supplement.
  
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Re: a modern line
Reply #5 - 08/22/07 at 07:29:19
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Wow, 

This line is far more dangerous than I initially thought.   

Psakhis recommends that White play as in the Kramnik-Morozevich Amber Blind 2003 game, in which Black won.  I'm not so sure that's a very good model.

Here's a much more recent game that is very interesting:



Saric,I (2469) - Gurevich,M (2635) [C11]
4th ch-Mediterranean Cannes FRA (3), 19.02.2007

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.dxc5 0-0 9.Qd2 Bxc5 10.0-0-0 Qa5 11.Bxc5 Nxc5   All this has been played before.

12.Kb1   Apparently, White needs to take time on the q-side.  Kramnik's solution was to play 10.a3.  Bd7 13.Bd3 Nb4 14.Nd4 Rfc8 15.g4 Ba4 Black's attack looks pretty ferocious, but let's see how Saric (whom I've never heard of)  continues.  16.f5!!? Nbxd3 17.cxd3 Bxd1 18.f6 gxf6 19.exf6 Kh8 20.Rxd1 Na4 21.Nxa4 Qxa4 22.Nf3 Qxg4 23.Ne5 Qh5 24.Re1 Rc7 25.Rg1 Qh4 26.Qc2! Re7 27.fxe7 Qxe7 28.Nxf7+ 1-0

This is a beautiful game, and highlights what White needs to do.  White really needs to get the attack going as soon as possible.   

The stats are fairly heavily in Black's favor so this is probably an excellent weapon for Black!  I don't know if Saric' line will hold up to intense scrutiny, but it is certainly worth some analysis.

  
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Re: a modern line
Reply #4 - 08/21/07 at 16:06:11
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Bibs, Neil only showed games where black did not have any problems at all, but I would like to know whats good for white (or at least critical).
  
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Re: a modern line
Reply #3 - 08/21/07 at 15:38:47
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I believe Neil has looked at this. Perhaps you could read his notes. 
General note - punters may like to check through monthly updates before posting.

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Re: a modern line
Reply #2 - 08/20/07 at 14:29:18
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I do hope you mean 4...Nfd7.  Otherwise, 5.exf6 might be embarrassing! 


ooops, I corrected that Smiley

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My own initial preference is for 8.Bd3

8...Qb6 and now ?  Shocked

Smyslov_Fan, the variation with 7...Be7 was already played by many strong GMs (Morozevich, M. Gurevich, Riazantsev, Gleizerov,Goloshchapov, Luther, Potkin, Ni Hua, Wang Hao,.......) and no clear way for an advantage is known.


  
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Re: a modern line
Reply #1 - 08/20/07 at 13:34:34
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I do hope you mean 4...Nfd7.  Otherwise, 5.exf6 might be embarrassing!

Embarrassed

On the down side, I don't see why Black wastes a tempo on a Bishop move before he needs to.  This seems to be a case of "telegraphing your punches".  And this seems to be a bit of a soft punch at that!  The fact that White has tried many moves suggests to me that White doesn't have much to worry about.   

My own initial preference is for 8.Bd3, preparing for a major attack on the king-side.  But that's just my blitz response.
  
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C11: a modern line
08/20/07 at 12:03:41
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Hi !

A modern and very interesting line in the french is : 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 and now 7...Be7!? . I think about including this in my repertoire for black. The ideas of this move are easy to understand. 
White tried many moves now, but which lines are critical ?
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