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Re: Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
Reply #7 - 09/19/07 at 15:53:05
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Sacapawn wrote on 08/26/07 at 22:13:46:
...and what if 8.Kh1 (to be able to play f3 on Bg4) ?

I found 5 games with 5.-,Nd4 in my database. Most likely there isn't any "official" theory on this. Where did you get the idea from?


Maybe this variation is a forced draw  Shocked

8.c3 Bg4! 9. Qa4+ Bd7 10.Qd1 Bg4 if now 11.Qa4+ Bd7 12.Qa5 b6! 13.Qa6 Bc8 14.Qa4+ Bd7 =  Tongue
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
Reply #6 - 08/26/07 at 23:59:49
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Sacapawn wrote on 08/26/07 at 22:13:46:
...and what if 8.Kh1 (to be able to play f3 on Bg4) ?

I found 5 games with 5.-,Nd4 in my database. Most likely there isn't any "official" theory on this. Where did you get the idea from?


I saw it used in a blitz game on ICC and was immediately intrigued and wondered if it was actually playable in a real game. Regarding 8.Kh1, provide some concrete analysis and I will try to comment on it.

The lines I gave thus far was meant mainly as a teaser to illustrate some of Black's potential, but Im reluctant to give away all the fruits of my analytical labor.......at least for the moment.

In the meantime I intend to test this line in Blitz games and see how it goes.

I'm still curious as to whether this line is mentioned anywhere though.

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Re: Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
Reply #5 - 08/26/07 at 22:13:46
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...and what if 8.Kh1 (to be able to play f3 on Bg4) ?

I found 5 games with 5.-,Nd4 in my database. Most likely there isn't any "official" theory on this. Where did you get the idea from?
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
Reply #4 - 08/26/07 at 19:17:24
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LeeRoth wrote on 08/26/07 at 15:37:59:
Neat.  Ok, so White can't take the Rook.  What happens on 8.e5?


Its a complicated mess but Black seems to be doing ok, and maybe more so if my analysis holds up. Two critical lines seem to be:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 5. Nxe5 Nd4 6. Bc4 d6 7. Nxf7 Qe7 8. e5 dxe5 9. Nxe5 Bf5 10. d3 O-O-O 11. Nf7 [ Black also seems to have adequate resources aginst the alternative 11. Re1 Rhe8 12. Bd2 Nxc2! 13. Qxc2 Ng4 14. Be6+ Qxe6 15. Qxc5 Nxe5 with the idea of 16. Qxa7? Nf3+ 17. gxf3 Qg6+ 18. Kh1 Rxe1+ 19. Bxe1 Bh3 -/+ with mate to follow]   Rde8! intending 12. Nxh8? Ne2+ 13. Kh1 Ng4 14. Nd2 Qd6 15. Nf3 Bxf2 16. Nf7 Qxh2+ 17. Nxh2 Ng3 Mate







Of course we have only just begun to scratch the surface here, but I hope I have managed to at least whet your appetite with some of Black's resources in this position.

Does anyone have any official theoretical information on this line?

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Re: Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
Reply #3 - 08/26/07 at 15:37:59
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Neat.  Ok, so White can't take the Rook.  What happens on 8.e5?
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
Reply #2 - 08/26/07 at 14:47:09
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Sacapawn wrote on 08/26/07 at 08:40:28:
6.Bc4 d5 (what else?; 6.-,0-0?! 7.c3 followed by d4) 7.exd5 and I don't see how Black shall proceed here.


6.Bc4 is met by the surprising and strong d6! intending 7. Nxf7 Qe7 8. Nxh8 Bg4 with a winning attack.


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Re: Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
Reply #1 - 08/26/07 at 08:40:28
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6.Bc4 d5 (what else?; 6.-,0-0?! 7.c3 followed by d4) 7.exd5 and I don't see how Black shall proceed here.
  
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Ruy Lopez - Classical (rare side line)
08/25/07 at 23:17:08
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Does anyone know anything about the following line:


1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 5. Nxe5 Nd4 ?! or maybe !? from what little I have seen it looks quite fun, although I suspect that the calm 6.Ba4 could be quite troublesome for Black. Who knows though, perhaps if used judiciously, this extremely rare sideline could be a deadly point scorer/surprise weapon in Black's arsenal.


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Any thoughts?

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