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Reply #35 - 09/27/08 at 11:14:17
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Guys,
With so many comments on Rudel's book, I decided to buy it, just curiosity. Before we jugde a book we must read it. I Know it is the first time I am going to read a book from a player rated below me!!
But before to comment on it , I must read it. We have rubbish even from GM's , the craziest example is Soltis, he has written lot of excelllent books, but many for the toilet. Or we may mention Gufeld's last decade books, etc. The mistake for Rudel is claiming to be an expert on the line.Expert for me means he played the opening for years over the board, he has a positive score with it etc. Like Yussupov in the line. Playing on ICC or in various sources on the net do not make you an expert, but simply a lover.Sliman says the book is for players around 1300-1900 , so Iam in, also I ordered and Palliser's book, I will try to do a fair comparison, but up till now what I have read from Palliser is excellent.
Amateurs like Sliman ( no Silman) believed the stories of Hommer and discovered Troy and Mycenes, so let's be more patient with Rudel's book.Also I may remember excellent chess players ( who never became GM,but the they invented amazing ideas in  chess , like Alvis Vitolins.
  
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Reply #34 - 09/13/08 at 12:22:00
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Maybe this is the right place for a table of contents of Richard Palliser´s

Starting out : d-pawn attacks (Everyman 2008, 272 pages)

004  Bibliography
005  Introduction
          - The Colle-Zukertort
          - The Barry Attack
          - The 150 Attack
          - Do these three attacks promise an objective advantage?
          - Is this a complete repertoire for white?
009  1  The Colle-Zukertort against ...Be7 set-ups
          - The early moves
          - Black plays ...Nc6
          - Black plays ...Nbd7
          - An early ...b6
052  2  The Colle-Zukertort against ...Bd6 set-ups
          - Introduction
          - Black plays ...Nbd7
          - Black plays ...Nc6
          - The main line 8...Qe7
111  3  Other Defences to the Colle-Zukertort
          - Rare approaches
          - An early check
          - The Colle-Zukertort against the Semi-Slav
140  4  The Colle Queen´s Indian
          - Introduction
          - A Colle-Zukertort approach
          - The e3 Queen´s Indian
          - A tricky move order: 2...b6
189  5  The Barry Attack
          - Introduction
          - The solid 4...c6
          - The Tarzan attack
214  6  The Main Line Barry
          - White plays 5e3
          - Black plays 6...c5
          - Forcing White to go short: 7Ne5 Nc6
246  7  The 150 Attack
          - Introduction
          - Black castles quickly
          - Black delays castling
          - The 150 attack against the Modern
267  Index of variations
271  Index of complete games

****************************************

Maybe I´m a little bit stronger than the targeted audience 
(club players 1400-2000 ?!) and further I had more general 
interests for buying this book (as Palliser always makes a 
good job and as I´m interested in some transpositions after 
1b3!). Seems to be a good and very readable book about 
these systems. I don´t know if I would recommend to anyone 
to play the Colle-Zukertort, but if you have decided to do so 
then this is definitely the book to learn from - a must buy!

Btw, Palliser doesn´t cover white set-ups (and especially no 
C-Z set-ups!) against Slav, delayed Grünfeld, Dutch and Benoni. 
Maybe dissapointing for some readers but certainly more honest 
than other authors.
Looking only at some free pages of the Zuke´em book it becomes 
obviously for any serious chess student that Rudel´s book contains 
much rubbish...

tracke Smiley
  
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Reply #33 - 09/13/08 at 00:20:55
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More Colle-Zukertorts please
  
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Reply #32 - 08/04/08 at 02:20:15
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Zuke'em - The Colle Zukertort Revolutionized......

Finally, That book is on my hands and what a surprise... Shocked

It is like having the Author in front of you talking to you about the opening with so much love that I never see before on any of the other books of my collection (and is quite big).

What imprested me the most is the very detailed explanation of practical ideas that the author spend a lot of time to teach you of what each piece role is on that opening.

I don’t care if he is not "titled" since these days with Computers and databases everyone can write a book, but definitely that guy put a lot of work to get that book out to press.

from Author Bio "David Rudel is a published Mathematician that won Texas state Championships in both math and physics, taught at Dartmouth, and was on the highest ranking team among all undergraduate institutions in the 1997 Pytnam competition"....

So, I guess that author is a smart guy and he deserve people to take him more seriously and not bashing him because he decide to write a book of chess without having a title but instead give it a try and they will not be disappointed.

Overall, the humor, attitude and feeling of that book is like having a conversation with someone that loves that opening so much that decide to reveal all his secrets in your expense.   

I do own the book of Lane and Summerscale and that book here definitely takes the cake on my view. Definitely different from any other book that you read and is worth every penny that I spend to get it.

Well done David! Smiley
  
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Reply #31 - 07/28/08 at 20:00:21
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Placed an order from Amazon to receive a copy of Zuke 'Em!. 

So far, I am imprest of the Author site on that book and the overall presentation of it and I'll love to see other books to be promoted in that way in the future. 

That opening is part of my repertoire for the last year with excellent results. I hope for a refrecing view from that new author that maybe  will give me something extra that I didn't see before. Smiley

I'll post back my personal review of that book when I received it and read through it. 

  
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Reply #30 - 07/22/08 at 00:01:42
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Antillian wrote on 07/21/08 at 13:24:25:
MNb wrote on 07/21/08 at 02:23:55:

Antillian wrote on 07/21/08 at 01:22:10:

Good luck in your next book on nuclear physics.

As all books on nuclear physics have been written by more than qualified people and none of these books are readable for the common (wo)man, this actually is an argument in favour of Zukertort. This does not mean though that I agree with Zukertort. The lower the rating of the author the more sceptical we should be. I mean, I know a little about very few variations, but I would not call myself an expert, even if I have something sensible to say now and then.


I suppose a joke falls flat when you have to explain it. My point is that if he presumes to be an opening expert by writing a book when at 1300 ELO he is far from being such, then why stop there. Why not nuclear physics or some other complex subject. Afterall expertise does not matter right in writing books on complex subjects!!


Oh, I got the joke and I liked it. I just could not resist the temptation of turning your joke against you.  Wink And I thought I had made clear that I doubt very much the validity Rudel's (self-claimed?) expert status. I also want to add that I am not very amused by the trick of an author promoting himself via an alias. As I had not got it I feel deceived. It is very recommendable that any author promotes his work on this site - under his own name. I am not sorry for Mr. Rudel, this is the decisive reason for me not to buy his book. I see Zukertort's comments on his favourite opening in another, rather negative light.
  

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Reply #29 - 07/21/08 at 13:24:25
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MNb wrote on 07/21/08 at 02:23:55:

Antillian wrote on 07/21/08 at 01:22:10:

Good luck in your next book on nuclear physics.

As all books on nuclear physics have been written by more than qualified people and none of these books are readable for the common (wo)man, this actually is an argument in favour of Zukertort. This does not mean though that I agree with Zukertort. The lower the rating of the author the more sceptical we should be. I mean, I know a little about very few variations, but I would not call myself an expert, even if I have something sensible to say now and then.


I suppose a joke falls flat when you have to explain it. My point is that if he presumes to be an opening expert by writing a book when at 1300 ELO he is far from being such, then why stop there. Why not nuclear physics or some other complex subject. Afterall expertise does not matter right in writing books on complex subjects!!
  

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Reply #28 - 07/21/08 at 02:23:55
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Zukertort wrote on 07/20/08 at 23:44:12:

I am basing the Burgess remark on Silman's review of "The Queen's Indian" by Aagaard (http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_js/js_queen_indian_defence.html)

Indeed  does not write that Burgess had ELO 1600 when writing his first chessbook.
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the English chess writer (Burgess, MNb) was too weak to properly represent his subject. While I can understand his anger at 1600’s daring to write chessbooks, he was widely missing the mark in the case of Burgess, who stands out as an excellent technical chess author (and I should add that the book in question was by far the best ever on that subject).

Even for a native Dutch speaker like me this is crystal clear.

Funny to read that Silman has some long toes as well.

Antillian wrote on 07/21/08 at 01:22:10:

Good luck in your next book on nuclear physics.

As all books on nuclear physics have been written by more than qualified people and none of these books are readable for the common (wo)man, this actually is an argument in favour of Zukertort. This does not mean though that I agree with Zukertort. The lower the rating of the author the more sceptical we should be. I mean, I know a little about very few variations, but I would not call myself an expert, even if I have something sensible to say now and then.
  

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Reply #27 - 07/21/08 at 01:22:10
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Zukertort wrote on 07/20/08 at 23:44:12:
 
I am basing the Burgess remark on Silman's review of "The Queen's Indian" by Aagaard (http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_js/js_queen_indian_defence.html)

Why a review of Aagaard's book has anything to do Burgess' work I'll let you read to find out.

You guys are welcome to write in to Jeremy and ask him about why he is publishing "bul$hit verging on libel."


You totally missed the point of Jeremy's comments. Are you not familiar with the concept of hyperpole? Silman was NOT saying that Burgess was 1600. He was speaking in hyperbole in reaction to the poor review. If you are such a decent book writer, you should have done your research. A simple search will show you that the book by Burgess was published in November 2000. Burgess' rating in Jan 2000 was 2300. Decent book writers can do simple research.

Zukertort wrote on 07/20/08 at 23:44:12:
 
As for the rest, you guys are awfully confident in your ability to judge a book you've never read written by a person you don't know.


Yes, sorry. 1300's simply are not qualified to write opening chess books. That is enough for me. It is like George W. Bush writing a book on common sense.

Zukertort wrote on 07/20/08 at 23:44:12:
 
Given that the author shipped at his own expense every person in the US who bought the original version a free copy of the revised (so you might well find several copies of that original version by such customers), it's hard to suggest that profit-motive is the driving force here.


Hurray, do you want a congressional medal of honour?  It does not matter what your motives are. It could be fame or fortune. I don't know. The point is that you are presumptuous to think that you are qualified enough to write an instructive chess opening chess book for club players. You are not!! I hope no one is duped into buying this

Zukertort wrote on 07/19/08 at 19:24:35:

And I'm sure we are all aware of players who are highly rated and write terrible books.


And your point is? There are terrible lawyers who have passed the bar.   I still am not going to any Tom, Dick or Harry who claims to be a lawyer.  There are terrible doctors who have medical licenses. What is your point?

Good luck in your next book on nuclear physics.
  

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Reply #26 - 07/21/08 at 00:46:43
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Zukertort wrote on 07/19/08 at 19:24:35:


It's not like this is a general-audience book. If you are a serious player and use any of the Queen-Pawn game variations [in particular the C-Z or the normal Colle] as standard parts of your repertoire, it would be pretty odd not to get the book. I even bought Schiller's and (worse) Soltis' book on the Colle-Zukertort...why? Because it makes sense to spend 30 dollars every 2 years to see new ideas or new explanations of old ones.   


Wow! What a sales pitch. Buy this book even though it might be terrible like Schiller's. Remind me not to hire you to do sales for my company.  Grin
  

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Reply #25 - 07/21/08 at 00:44:57
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Aliyah wrote on 07/20/08 at 10:11:33:
I should have thought it was obvious that Zukertort = David Rudel = the author of "Zuke 'Em!".

BTW, he's selling the typo-ridden 1st edition of his book, published by Thinker's Press (which nowadays is merely a vanity press - the author pays to have the book printed) on eBay for the low, low price of $44.37 [yes, forty-four dollars and thirty-seven cents] plus shipping, as a collectible.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190237367463&ssPageName=...

No bidders so far, but don't let that stop you...


Actually, I'm his pet cactus...but don't tell him I use the computer when he goes off to flip burgers (he works the night-shift at Waffle house).
  
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Reply #24 - 07/20/08 at 23:44:12
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kylemeister wrote on 07/19/08 at 19:43:06:
The earliest book by Burgess (born 1968) I know of is one on the Classical KID from 1990.  He apparently became an FM in 1988 or 1989, and was rated 2335 at Gausdal 1990.

BTW, I suppose the Caro-Kann bit probably pertains to 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c5 3. e3 with ...cd, resulting in a sideline of the Exchange.  Though there are other possibilities, like 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. Nbd2 Nd7 4. e4, or 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. Nbd2 g6 4. e4 if you're classifying the Gurg as a Caro ...


I am basing the Burgess remark on Silman's review of "The Queen's Indian" by Aagaard (http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_js/js_queen_indian_defence.html)

Why a review of Aagaard's book has anything to do Burgess' work I'll let you read to find out.

You guys are welcome to write in to Jeremy and ask him about why he is publishing "bul$hit verging on libel."

As for the rest, you guys are awfully confident in your ability to judge a book you've never read written by a person you don't know.

Given that the author shipped at his own expense every person in the US who bought the original version a free copy of the revised (so you might well find several copies of that original version by such customers), it's hard to suggest that profit-motive is the driving force here.
  
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Reply #23 - 07/20/08 at 10:27:42
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Zukertort wrote on 07/19/08 at 19:24:35:
For whatever it's worth, Burgess was in the 1600s [or lower, I forget], when he started writing chess books...and he has written some pretty important/highly-rated/useful books. 



Utter bullsh$t. As Kylemeister notes. Verging on the libellous, if anyone could really be arsed.

Rudel perhaps the lowest rated player ever to get published? Seance to get Norris McWhirter to confirm? Or Roy Castle would do. Doesn't need his trumpet. That said, it may, possibly, be an adequate work and some hard work may have been put in. Readers may however be best advised to be sceptical of any judgments found therein. 

I would be charitable and wish the author luck, but false claims of 'expertise' tend to rile me somewhat. One person makes money as another spends it.  Some unsuspecting sorts (kids, kids' parents at bookstalls at kiddie tourneys) who may feel the urge to spend their hard-earned may take such claims at face value. 

Aliyah - er, yes, we know.  Well, that or his mum. Was mildly amusing for all parties to refer to Mr Rudel in the 3rd person though. Just wondering when the author was going to out himself. Or her son.

Great cover though. More chess books with paratroopers please.
  
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Reply #22 - 07/20/08 at 10:11:33
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I should have thought it was obvious that Zukertort = David Rudel = the author of "Zuke 'Em!".

BTW, he's selling the typo-ridden 1st edition of his book, published by Thinker's Press (which nowadays is merely a vanity press - the author pays to have the book printed) on eBay for the low, low price of $44.37 [yes, forty-four dollars and thirty-seven cents] plus shipping, as a collectible.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190237367463&ssPageName=...

No bidders so far, but don't let that stop you...
  
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Reply #21 - 07/19/08 at 19:43:06
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The earliest book by Burgess (born 1968) I know of is one on the Classical KID from 1990.  He apparently became an FM in 1988 or 1989, and was rated 2335 at Gausdal 1990.

BTW, I suppose the Caro-Kann bit probably pertains to 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c5 3. e3 with ...cd, resulting in a sideline of the Exchange.  Though there are other possibilities, like 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. Nbd2 Nd7 4. e4, or 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. Nbd2 g6 4. e4 if you're classifying the Gurg as a Caro ...
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