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Poll Question: ANTI-SICILIANS: WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE ANALYZED
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Grand Prix Attack    
  6 (11.8%)
1 e4 c5 2 Bb5    
  1 (2.0%)
1 e4 c5  2 g4    
  1 (2.0%)
1 e4 c5  2 a3    
  7 (13.7%)
1 e4  c5  2 e5 Treger Attack    
  2 (3.9%)
1 e4 c5 2 b4 Wing Gambit    
  8 (15.7%)
 1 e4 c5  2 Nf3    
  12 (23.5%)
1 e4 c5 2 d3    
  3 (5.9%)
1 e4 c5 2 d4 cxd4 3 c3, Smith-Morra Gambit    
  7 (13.7%)
 1 e4 c5 2 Bc4    
  4 (7.8%)




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Reply #16 - 10/03/07 at 12:56:44
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UD: Indeed, well said sir. Do heartily concur.
Awaiting Lev's considered reply....
Hopefully not containing a random g-pawn move.
  
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Reply #15 - 10/03/07 at 09:20:34
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I like unorthodox openings and implausible ideas, but they must be [i]ideas[/i], not random moves.
  
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I am so psyched to take on the Treger Attack now.
  

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Reply #13 - 10/03/07 at 08:55:29
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Hey, sometimes implausible ideas work!  So lay off, why don't ya!   Smiley

Hmm, I don't get this line at all.  I like to have my center pawns.  Even 4.Qe2 g6 5.b3 Bg7 6.Bb2 f6 looks very good for Black.

Uberdeker, maybe you're right.  (But you're oh so standoffish!)  I should go to sleep.
  

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Reply #12 - 10/03/07 at 08:49:59
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How can one "seriously challenge" absolute junk ?! Your line is just one of many refutations of "White's opening concept " which is a very generous name for it...
  
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Reply #11 - 10/03/07 at 08:37:50
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Gambit wrote on 09/25/07 at 06:11:43:
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OK, from reading Lev's thread 1.e4 c5 2.e5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qc7 4.Qe2 followed by b3 is the idea, and Treger is an NM.  (I so wanted Treger to be a guinea pig.)  However, I don't see where White is going after 4...f6.  


Then I suggest you go to to the chesslive.de website and check out the following games:

Marcelo Jost - Stephan Svennson, IECC email, 1999, 1-0, 46

Ivano Zaniratti - Josef Kusmierek, IECC email, 2001, 1-0, 34

Plenty of room for experimentation there.

Also, since Yefim Treger has such good results with it, and plays it regularly, only fair that it be named after him.


Just noticed your reply.  Those are some pretty low quality correspondence games!  This seems to happen a lot in rare lines on the Chessbase database.  Have to live with what you've got I guess.

In the first game (Jost-Svennson), I think it's safe to say Black is already at least a little better after he surrenders the center with 5.exf6 Nf6.  In the game, if Black played 8...d4 after 8.c4, I think White would have been severely cramped.  After 6.Nc3, Black could also try the preventative 6...a6 for a slower central occupation.  I am having trouble seeing ideas for White.

In the second game (Zaniratti-Kusmierek), the pawn sacrifice with 5.e6 does not look very promising.  After 5.e6 dxe6 6.Qc4 Qd6 (instead of 6...Qa5) intending ...e5 followed by ...Be6 looks strong.

In the both of these examples, White's center is demolished in the opening, and he doesn't even have clear targets for counterplay, since Black has made few commitments in his pawn structure.  (The pawn sacrifice inhibits kingside development, but Black has full control of the center anyway, so this drawback is almost irrelevant.)  I am tempted to say Black is already close to -/+.  4...f6 seems to seriously challenge White's whole opening concept.
  

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Re: Anti-Sicilians: what do you want to see analys
Reply #10 - 09/25/07 at 06:11:43
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OK, from reading Lev's thread 1.e4 c5 2.e5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qc7 4.Qe2 followed by b3 is the idea, and Treger is an NM.  (I so wanted Treger to be a guinea pig.)  However, I don't see where White is going after 4...f6.  


Then I suggest you go to to the chesslive.de website and check out the following games:

Marcelo Jost - Stephan Svennson, IECC email, 1999, 1-0, 46

Ivano Zaniratti - Josef Kusmierek, IECC email, 2001, 1-0, 34

Plenty of room for experimentation there.

Also, since Yefim Treger has such good results with it, and plays it regularly, only fair that it be named after him.
  
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Reply #9 - 09/24/07 at 05:05:38
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I like the spoof, and also cannot see why 2.e5 should be treated even semi-seriously.
  
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Reply #8 - 09/23/07 at 08:02:32
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OK, from reading Lev's thread 1.e4 c5 2.e5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qc7 4.Qe2 followed by b3 is the idea, and Treger is an NM.  (I so wanted Treger to be a guinea pig.)  However, I don't see where White is going after 4...f6.
  

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Re: Anti-Sicilians: what do you want to see analys
Reply #7 - 09/23/07 at 07:33:31
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Don't dis the Treger Attack!  1.e4 c5 2.e5! Nc6 3.f4 d5 and Black could be tricked into a French defense!  After the highly plausible 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.h3 Bh5, 6.g4!! wins!  Black has to give up the bishop pair or retreat!  Spooky!  I like exclamation marks!

To eliminate any possible future confusion, I did not alter the poll and have no connections to Treger the Guinea Pig.
  

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Re: Anti-Sicilians: what do you want to see analys
Reply #6 - 09/22/07 at 13:56:59
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UD - put your thinking cap on! Wink
Not my poll.  Huh Can someone remove the poll idiocy?

Suspect Lev at work considering the stuff prominently placed there. Signature stuff
Lev - own up? No one else would name 2e5. Is is it named after your brother? Your class guinea pig?

Stuff in Bibs post is by me. other? Lev appears to be busy again, doing whatever Lev does. Why no name this time?

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Re: Anti-Sicilians: what do you want to see analys
Reply #5 - 09/22/07 at 13:44:27
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The wing gambit is the response which causes me the biggest problems when playing the Sicilian. So, analyses about it would be welcome  Lips Sealed
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Reply #4 - 09/22/07 at 09:00:56
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[quote author=Bibs link=1190383733/0#2 date=1190386567]This must be an example of the much-maligned German sense of humour.
Unfairly maligned perhaps, Herbert Groenemeyer's "Ich finde kein Parkplatz" being a worthy example otherwise.

Hmm, not the most incisive.[/quote]

My suggestion is much more reasonnable than more than half of the variations you offer in the poll, Bibs.
Each to his own sense of humour...-
  
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Re: Anti-Sicilians: what do you want to see analys
Reply #3 - 09/21/07 at 18:48:23
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Bibs wrote on 09/21/07 at 14:08:53:
Continuing onwards and upwards from the previous topic's dialog, possibly worthwhile if people post what they are most interested in keeping up with.
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Opinions please, which may help to assist Mr Martin cover what the punters are keen to read about.

I would be interested in the experts' opinion on the funny little move 6...f5 in the Closed Sicilian, as played, e.g., in this game:  
[Event "FRA-chT"]
[Site "France"]
[Date "1998.02.06"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Loeffler,Markus"]
[Black "Ochoa de Echaguen,F Javier"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "B26"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 d6 6.Be3 f5 7.Qd2 fxe4 8.dxe4 Ne5
9.f4 Nc4 10.Qd3 Nxe3 11.Qxe3 Nh6 12.Nge2 0-0 13.h3 b5 14.g4 b4 15.Nd1 Bb7 16.0-0 Nf7
17.c3 a5 18.Nf2 Rb8 19.g5 bxc3 20.bxc3 e5 21.h4 exf4 22.Nxf4 Qe7 23.Bh3 Ne5 24.Be6+ Kh8
25.Bd5 Rxf4 26.Qxf4 Rf8 27.Qg3 Ba6 28.Ng4 Bxf1 29.Rxf1 Nxg4 30.Qxg4 Bxc3 31.Rxf8+ Qxf8 32.Kg2 Bd4
33.Qf3 Qxf3+ 34.Kxf3 a4 35.Kg4 a3 36.h5 gxh5+ 37.Kxh5 Kg7 38.Bc4 Be3 39.Bd5 h6 40.g6 Bg5
41.Bf7 Be7 42.Be6 Bf8 43.Bf5 Kf6 44.Kg4 Ke5 45.Kf3 d5 46.Bg4 dxe4+ 47.Ke3 c4 48.Be2 c3
49.Bd1 h5 50.Bxh5 Bh6+ 51.Ke2 c2 52.g7 c1=Q 53.g8=Q Qe3+ 54.Kf1 Qh3+ 55.Ke1 Qh1+ 0-1

It appears the first recorded game featuring 6...f5 was Ree - Donner 1967. The move hasn't really caught on but has an excellent score.
  
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Reply #2 - 09/21/07 at 14:56:07
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This must be an example of the much-maligned German sense of humour.
Unfairly maligned perhaps, Herbert Groenemeyer's "Ich finde kein Parkplatz" being a worthy example otherwise.

Hmm, not the most incisive.
  
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