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Re: Ruy Lopez variations and books
Reply #11 - 09/27/07 at 18:49:03
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Whoever avoids taking up any major system deliberately reduces his understanding of chess in general, is that not so?  But I will agree that this system is perhaps the most critical one for players of the white pieces to know, since it's the leading way of scoring wins with the them.

I think the comparative infrequency of good books about the Spanish main lines is due to the vast scope of this topic and also the limited interest in these deep complexities among many amateur players.  (I admit, in passing, my own abominable ignorance in this area.)  Still, if someone would write a magisterial, four-volume tome on this -- and someone would publish it -- I suspect that many people would buy it.  Perhaps not if it were six volumes, however.

  

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Reply #10 - 09/27/07 at 17:35:29
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Today we have many books on second rated openings such as Greco Moller attack in Italian Game, and in Ruy Lopez, the queen of all variations, we have only small amount of books.

Why? I think that one has to have great understanding and experience to put pen on paper and write a good book.

On the other hands strong players are the only ones who profit in this situation: they can better prepare themselves using databases, yearbooks etc., and we the mortals are on the thin ice.

When you open ECO C you see an ocean of variations, and yet one doesn't know where should he swim to land on the steady coast.

Any ideas?

PS Read a preface from Khalifman's "Opening for White According to Anand":

Dear Reader,

Here is the second book of the series "Opening for White according to Anand - l.e4", in which we deal with open games. This volume is devoted to the main lines of one of the most popular and interesting openings in the chess theory - the Ruy Lopez.

It is absolutely insufficient to only know the theory well in order to play expertly the positions arising in the main lines of the Ruy Lopez. You also need to understand profoundly plenty of fine points of strategy and be able to implement original middlegame plans in order to succeed. This opening has always been one of the most popular at top-level and quite deservedly so. There are numerous examples of supreme mastership of the strongest players of the past and present (from Lasker to Anand) in playing the "Spanish" positions.

Chess fashion, just like every other fashion, is very transient and after only a few years different lines are focusing the attention. Some of the lines of the Ruy Lopez are so variable in every aspect, like for example the open variation and the system 5...b5 б.ВЬЗ Bc5, yet they are both abundant with lively piece play and complex strategic essence.

The great volume of vitally necessary information and the complexity of the arising problems lead to the fact that there have always been plenty of players even at the top-level quite willing to avoid the main lines of this opening. White has many ways to do that at his disposal - starting with - 2.f4 up to 4.Bxc6 and even further... I am not planning to criticize the adherents of the King's Gambit, or the endgame specialists who stick to the exchange variation. I only want to share with you my opinion that whoever avoids the main lines of the Ruy Lopez deliberately just reduces his understanding of chess in general.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez variations and books
Reply #9 - 09/27/07 at 14:46:17
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I think anyone should have nunn's book on the marshall even though it's slightly out of date. The total marshall cd rom by Harding is very highly regarded.

But the book I would recommend having is Opening repertoire according to Anand  Vols1 and 2  as it's essential to know what the white players will play.

Slightly off track Greet's book is wonderful on sidelines and the Worrall !
  
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Reply #8 - 09/27/07 at 12:42:28
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LaRocque wrote on 09/27/07 at 11:27:11:
rossia wrote on 09/23/07 at 20:04:53:
Hello to everyone!  Cheesy

I want to know which books are the best for each variation of the Ruy Lopez for the black side.

Also I invite someone experienced to rank variations for black into three categories: tactical, positional and solid.

By choosing the  books please please try to be objective and nominate more recent books.

Thanks  Cool

A very active defence for black is the classical variation of the berlin (4.0-0 Bc5); but i don't know book about it. Maybe NIC yearbook?


The strongest challenge to this defense is 5.Nxe5, I think. For instance, see here: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1149281149

But yes, it is active.  Glenn Flear discusses it at some length in Offbeat Spanish, and expresses his belief that it's sound.

Nice picture, by the way.

@rossia: Krasenkow's book on the Open is good, and I believe more recent than Flear's.  But no books on the Open are up-to-date any more.  You can fill the gaps, of course, if you have a data base.  A subscription to the 1...e5 section here is helpful, as well.

I agree with the praise others here have given to J&J's work on the Zaitsev, which as you will probably know, is a very sharp system of the Closed Spanish with a good reputation.  John Watson calls it "a wonderful defense," but says that those who play it will have to commit many lines to memory.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez variations and books
Reply #7 - 09/27/07 at 11:27:11
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rossia wrote on 09/23/07 at 20:04:53:
Hello to everyone!  Cheesy

I want to know which books are the best for each variation of the Ruy Lopez for the black side.

Also I invite someone experienced to rank variations for black into three categories: tactical, positional and solid.

By choosing the  books please please try to be objective and nominate more recent books.

Thanks  Cool

A very active defence for black is the classical variation of the berlin (4.0-0 Bc5); but i don't know book about it. Maybe NIC yearbook?
  

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Reply #6 - 09/26/07 at 19:36:06
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So how the things are going you all agree that Open and Archangel/New Archangel are the most active Black responses, and the Chigorin and Zaitsev the most solid variations.

Do you have some other options?

Here is a list of books about two first mentioned variations:

1. Krzysztof Panczyk: Archangel and New Archangel
160 pages, paperback/pocketbook, 2000.

2. Alexander Beliavsky, Adrian Mikhalchishin: Ruy Lopez C78
135 pages, paperback, 1999.

3. Glenn Flear: Open Ruy Lopez
144 pages, paperback.

Some other sources?

Please comment listed books if you have them or you worked with them  Cool
  
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Reply #5 - 09/24/07 at 16:16:12
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rossia wrote on 09/24/07 at 13:25:06:
Thanks for answers.

I like rich tactical positions, so which variations are both tactical and complex?



Besides the Archangel, the Open Defense might be worth considering, since it ranks fairly high along those dimensions.  I agree that the Schliemann is close to unsound.
  

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Reply #4 - 09/24/07 at 14:42:48
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rossia:

as Hgman noted: the Johnson/Johannesen book. Well-written. Impressively researched. Wonderful intro from Johannesen. Cracking fun to study - I did some wading when it came out. Highly recommended.

Also: Archangel/Moller complex. Check out Malaniuk and Shirov games. Ok, tho dated book by Emms/Panczyk.

No Schliemann. Dont trust it.
  
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Reply #3 - 09/24/07 at 13:25:06
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Thanks for answers.

I like rich tactical positions, so which variations are both tactical and complex?

  
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Re: Ruy Lopez variations and books
Reply #2 - 09/23/07 at 22:04:32
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Wikipedia is rather good on the Ruy Lopez, actually.

Marin's new book on the Chigorin and Johnsen & Johannessen's new book on the Zaitsev are both very instructive...
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez variations and books
Reply #1 - 09/23/07 at 20:50:37
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rossia wrote on 09/23/07 at 20:04:53:
Hello to everyone!  Cheesy

I want to know which books are the best for each variation of the Ruy Lopez for the black side.

Also I invite someone experienced to rank variations for black into three categories: tactical, positional and solid.

By choosing the  books please please try to be objective and nominate more recent books.

Thanks  Cool


A) NCO MCO ECO

B) Regarding categories: See A) as the tomes mentioned there lays them out quite eruditely.

Alternatively there is always wikipedia.

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Ruy Lopez variations and books
09/23/07 at 20:04:53
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Hello to everyone!  Cheesy

I want to know which books are the best for each variation of the Ruy Lopez for the black side.

Also I invite someone experienced to rank variations for black into three categories: tactical, positional and solid.

By choosing the  books please please try to be objective and nominate more recent books.

Thanks  Cool
  
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